BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON
| [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps In the coming weeks Bell will be making GPS satellite locks performed by free/3rd party apps* take 2-10 minutes instead of the standard 15-20 seconds to make GPSNav [Sold separately] look like a better product with it's 15-20 second GPS lock.
* Blackberry Maps, Google Maps, etc.
The following phones are affected:
• BlackBerry 8830 World Edition.
• BlackBerry 8130 Pearl.
• BlackBerry 8330 Curve.
Various quotes include:
"Clients should be using GPS Nav from Bell Mobility"
"High quality locates are only available by using GPS Nav" Source: »www.howardforums.com/showthread.···=1435850
Confirmed.
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs: | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps I smell a new ad.
Bell. We're the better throttler.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | Wow, typical Bell bullshit. Nothing they do surprises me anymore. The talking points they are providing to agents are just great, too.  | |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Unreal.... I actually enjoyed the Google maps off my Blackberry.... So much for that idea! Guess the $100+/month data and voice plan isn't enough to cover that additional bandwidth! Booooooo
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 | BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by R0CKY  :Unreal.... I actually enjoyed the Google maps off my Blackberry.... So much for that idea! Guess the $100+/month data and voice plan isn't enough to cover that additional bandwidth! Booooooo Do you need BES support or tethering?
Take the $30 Unlimited Data BIS and no tethering. | |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Hmm.. no clue. Never put any time in this end of things as it just worked.
Sounds like we might be needing to put a little more effort on this side of things shortly! 
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hmmmmmmmm
@videotron.net
| Do I understand you correctly?
(I'm blackberry dumb)
What I understood is this:
Free 3rd party GPS apps doing GPS satellite locks will take 2-10 minutes instead of the normal 15-20seconds.
(I have no idea what a GPS satellite lock is)
They are doing this in order to sell Bells own GPSNav app which will have no forced times delay (throttle) in order to sell their GPSNav app as the best alternative for speed.
Does this mean the 3rd party apps will also cost more to use since they will be purosely delayed by minutes?
Wouldn't this be anticompetitive? | |
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| BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by hmmmmmmmm :
Free 3rd party GPS apps doing GPS satellite locks will take 2-10 minutes instead of the normal 15-20seconds. (I have no idea what a GPS satellite lock is)
The time it takes a GPS satellite to 'find you'.
said by hmmmmmmmm :
They are doing this in order to sell Bells own GPSNav app which will have no forced times delay (throttle) in order to sell their GPSNav app as the best alternative for speed. Yes.
said by hmmmmmmmm :
Does this mean the 3rd party apps will also cost more to use since they will be purosely delayed by minutes? Not really. Most users are on unlimited data plans to begin with.
said by hmmmmmmmm :
Wouldn't this be anticompetitive? To Google, maybe.
RIM, the inventor of the Blackberry, already approves of this behavior on other international carriers.
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Unlimited data plans? I didn't think Bell even offered that. Can you clarify?
Also I am assuming Bell will not be sending notices out or making a formal announcement about this either to inform its customers. I guess they just want us to keep wondering why our GPS lookups are taking so long until we give in and call into support to waste their time so that they can upsell us on the GPSNav.
They're doing anything they can nowadays to make an extra buck, this is getting ridiculous.
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join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by theninjasqua :Unlimited data plans? I didn't think Bell even offered that. Can you clarify? Also I am assuming Bell will not be sending notices out or making a formal announcement about this either to inform its customers. I guess they just want us to keep wondering why our GPS lookups are taking so long until we give in and call into support to waste their time so that they can upsell us on the GPSNav. They're doing anything they can nowadays to make an extra buck, this is getting ridiculous. Bell's had unlimited data plans for BBs since Spring.
Telus since December.
Rogers has 6GB since July. | |
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Do you have a link to that on their website?
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | I wonder if RIM will allow that to happen for very long, I mean it is their own app on the blackberry. | |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON | RIM already approves of this on Verizon [USA] and O2 [Europe]. | |
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| Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Seriously???? I could understand them allowing the network provider to offer their own mapping service on the bb but to allow their own app that is free to be throttled?? Something doesn't sound right. | |
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join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by Robrr :Seriously???? I could understand them allowing the network provider to offer their own mapping service on the bb but to allow their own app that is free to be throttled?? Something doesn't sound right. Let me be more clear.
Verizon Blackberry users don't even have access to Blackberry Maps unless the GPSNav is purchased.
Most O2 Blackberries aren't even shipped with the Blackberry Maps software.
Bell is the only one to throttle, as other carriers just disallow access all together. | |
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join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps That is seriously f'ed up. Thank god my new BB Bold is from Rogers.
Mind you as soon as they start a tactic like this, I am done with them. | |
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join:2002-11-25
Hamilton, ON
| Perhaps; WE (collectively) are responsible.
30 years ago (give or take) if you ordered telephone service, you HAD to rent your phone from Bell. The CRTC finally ended the practice after a Montreal company took Bell to court for violating common carrier rules. I'm hoping my memory here is not too faulty. At least you can hook up the phone of your choice today.
The cell phone that you use is not sold to you, it is sold to Bell, Telus, Rogers etc. and is essentially given permission to work on the network that purchases the phones. The phones are then sold (and imprinted with the Bell etc. logo) or more precisely you are blackmailed with your own money to sign a contract for a free phone that has a few some or most of the built in features disabled. Bell also does this with the Siemens/Speedstream 6520 and other modems where they disable the built in firewall and then sell you security services.
This problem will not go away until we begin to buy our phones from independent suppliers, the bill you get from Bell Mobility and others is reduced to only reflect the network charges and legislation is in place to force open standards on cellphone providers, ISPs and other future communication systems that currently don't exist. | |
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CanadianIron
join:2006-10-08
Beverly Hills, CA
| Sneaky sneaky....
Rather than just disallow the 3rd party application they purposefully and discretely limit it so that their own inferior service appears to be superior.
Good business decision for now as it could be good for revenues in the short term. Whoever made the ultimate decision to implement this needs a refresher course in ethics.
Many believe in karma, so in the end it all equals out.
It is possible to get to the top without stepping on others heads. One idea would be to offer a superior service to the free service for a modest fee. Too bad Bell has no idea how to do that. | |
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riojew04532
@cia.com
| If I understand correctly how this is going to work from an inside source its that clients without the service SOC on their line will not get the a-GPS data, either because the device isn't sent the info or the application itself isn't allowed to get the data (only the paid app can access this info). | |
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Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON | [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Every time Bell does something they just shove their foot deeper up their ass and make the company look like a complete idiot. | |
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join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Don't worry, one of these times they will overstep their boundary and upset a large number of customers.
I do wonder how this new development will affect them. I would suspect that a lot of people use the GPS system in their blackberries. | |
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better assholes
@videotron.net
| said by Sempronius :Every time Bell does something they just shove their foot deeper up their ass An ass is only so deep.... not sure what i'm trying to say here...
said by Robrr :one of these times they will overstep their boundary and upset a large number of customers. haven't they done this before (a few times over)?
People just keep leaving then Bell puts out ads saying their better.
better assholes (deep ones) is the only thing that makes any sense really. | |
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no waaaay
@anonymouse.org | Is it true Bell gave GPSnav free to employee so they can then tell (potential) customers how great their GPS app is?
Someone post the leaked memo pls.
What date does this go into effect? | |
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JAC70
@rogers.com | How can they slow down a GPS lock without a firmware update? | |
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dunno
@videotron.net | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by JAC70 :
How can they slow down a GPS lock without a firmware update?
Dunno...
maybe its true... Bell is the Better Throttler | |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | I've been doing some digging and checked with some colleagues within Mobility and no one seems to know anything about this.
There's no scripting of any kind either that's been released to any of the sales channels or reps.
And although DPI wasn't announced to the public either, at least reps were provided scripting (which was posted here).
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Didn't that scripting come months later though? As in November or December which was a month after DPI was initialized. And to be fair, at the time you were denying it up until around October I believe.
Maybe Bell 'leaked' this to gauge customer reaction to this idea before they actually go ahead and do it. They could finally be learning from their mistakes in the past and listening to customers a bit.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by theninjasqua :Didn't that scripting come months later though? As in November or December which was a month after DPI was initialized. And to be fair, at the time you were denying it up until around October I believe. Maybe Bell 'leaked' this to gauge customer reaction to this idea before they actually go ahead and do it. They could finally be learning from their mistakes in the past and listening to customers a bit. No, the scripting was released the same day DPI was launched on October 27th.
I also never denied throttling would ever happen, I simply denied that it was happening before then (it wasn't actually turned ON before October 27th).
I've also been waiting for the person who started these rumours in the various forums and blogs to post the (now) infamous "internal memo" everyone keeps referring to.
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drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps Very interesting. A slice of Bell alright.
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| If this is indeed true, I imagine it would probably affect Virgin Mobile subscribers too. While the offerings from Virgin are substantially different from that of Bell, I've noticed that all my data traffic (I use Mobile GMaps, Google Maps, GMail, and Opera Mini applications) go through Bell's proxy servers.
Hopefully when TekSavvy introduces cellular service, they'll have their own data servers. On the other hand, if they're going to resell Globalive/Videotron's upcoming services, they may not have a choice. | |
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| BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON
| Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps said by Guspaz :If this is indeed true, I imagine it would probably affect Virgin Mobile subscribers too. While the offerings from Virgin are substantially different from that of Bell, I've noticed that all my data traffic (I use Mobile GMaps, Google Maps, GMail, and Opera Mini applications) go through Bell's proxy servers. Hopefully when TekSavvy introduces cellular service, they'll have their own data servers. On the other hand, if they're going to resell Globalive/Videotron's upcoming services, they may not have a choice. Maybe because Bell owns Virgin? | |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps They don't own Virgin. They have a 50% share. I seem to recall it being non-voting, but I'm not sure about that. | |
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confirmed
@anonymouse.org
| Yup its a confirmed thing now.
Its going to happen for sure.
think I saw the date as the 26th.
I still want to see the internal memo and I want to see what they are telling their reps to "how to position themselves" in situations.
I wanna see this load of crap people are going to be fed now. | |
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chucklez
@videotron.ca
| In a way I find it funny that they are throttling free GPS apps in favor of their own pay for gps apps.
I mean, how long has bell been screwing its own customers every chance they get?
If anyone is affected by this, I don't feel for you.
With bell the writing is on the wall, and has been for years, that they will suck every dime possible out of your pocket with the very least possible in quality service and quality support.
If you're still with them for any service and you bitch about this latest tactic to rape your wallet and degrade service, the fault lays with you. | |
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| ggpr
join:2007-11-23
canada | Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS Apps is it done by the phone's firmware or the network?
ie. will virgin and others be affected? | |
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any news
@videotron.ca | Seems an internal memo was posted on howardforums and the GPS throttle is on hold now...
Any news on this? | |
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