ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Piracy will kill the internet
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osubuck
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| No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer. |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.
The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. |
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ztmike
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said by osubuck :
No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer.
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Ian
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said by ninjatutle :I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. This has little to do with piracy and all to do with a stranglehold on commerce. Their press release is missing some text.
"...also aims to ensure that artists, creators and innovators can safely share their works through new online distribution channels that we, and only we control and profit from, with confidence that their right to earn fair compensation for their creativity is respected."
"Co-chair Mike McCurry emphasized that consumers are the biggest beneficiaries in the Arts+Labs' vision. He then could no longer hold his composure and burst out laughing."
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chRoniX10
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Long live P2P...
This group wont do squat to curb p2p, just another big waste of money. No anti-piracy organization will be able to stop the growth of P2P which is the millions if not more...
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said by osubuck :
No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. <sarcasm>
Yah, exactly!
Artists and software programmers don't deserve to be compensated for their work. I say copy/distribute their work and starve 'em to death!</sarcasm> |
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ninjatutle is a well known anti-piracy/p2p troll around here. It has already been demonstrated time after time that it is impossible to stop p2p in any way, shape, or form. Yet the MAFIAA which he and others of his ilk seem to support keep spending millions of dollars on so-called "technology" like Audible Magic's Copy Sense, only to have them fail epically and utterly.
Filters will not stop copyright infringement online, nor can they differentiate between "legal" and "pirated" content, no matter what anyone may say to the contrary.
And losses to the industry from p2p are a drop in the bucket compared to those from bootlegging, which is far more common.
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ja2007123
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Thanks Pirates, the Internet was good thing afterall. |
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stomp357
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said by ninjatutle :I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief?  |
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cornelius785_nli
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excuze me poster child for the MAFIA or paid shill of the MAFIA. there are ways legal way to download massive amounts of data. |
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KrK
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said by ninjatutle :as we know it... No. Corporate greed will. |
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KrK
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First, the piracy filters. Then the "Hate speech" filters. Then the "Patriotic" filters.... then the "Damage the Economy" filters.
Pretty soon, you'll either be in "Kiddie-Fun-Zone" walled garden internet.... or else you'll be a 'Terrorist' in the "illegal black market internet..."
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swhx7
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said by ninjatutle :Re: Piracy will kill the internet as we know it...
Actually, what astute readers can infer from the article is that the value of the internet is in danger of being killed by anti-piracy efforts. |
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swhx7
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said by ninjatutle :Piracy will kill the internet as we know it... said by KrK :No. Corporate greed will.
Well I try not to be so pessimistic, but it's threatening to.
If anyone doubts the parent post, look at the press release (again) and instead of the bits about piracy, notice the language. The whole concept of the internet assumed there is a totally commercial one. Citizens are called "consumers" and expected to pay for all the "content" they "consume", buying it from profit-oriented vendors. There is no room in this vision for any non-commercial communication, public interest, or non-exploitive human relationships.
Free market capitalism can produce good outcomes, but the for-profit corporation with legal status of a person and power to influence government is a toxin to society just as HIV or asbestos is to the body. They are sociopaths, and their press releases are always deceptive advertisements. A pretence of civic-minded motives on the part of a business is a sure sign of lying for profit. |
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SLD
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Neither can you. That's why you keep spouting the same flawed P2P argument. |
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KrK
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said by swhx7 :If anyone doubts the parent post, look at the press release (again) and instead of the bits about piracy, notice the language. The whole concept of the internet assumed there is a totally commercial one. Citizens are called "consumers" and expected to pay for all the "content" they "consume", buying it from profit-oriented vendors. There is no room in this vision for any non-commercial communication, public interest, or non-exploitive human relationships. They are very very careful in their choice of language. Notice, they can't call it "Information" or "Data" because then they would be saying "We need to filter and block information" which is 100% what they are actually TRYING to do, but it sounds very, VERY bad (and well it would be) so they refer to it as "content". The Internet was never about "consumers" being spoon-fed the content they WANT you to see. That's what TV, radio, etc is for. The Internet has always been about networking and sharing. THE VERY ESSENCE OF A NETWORK IS TO SHARE DATA, FILES, INFORMATION. Sure, it can be used to provide entertainment, but that's only a secondary concern.
However, for some people, everything is always about money, and how much more of it they can get, by any means. If the Internet is becoming a medium in which content can be distributed and sold for profit, then they want not a share, but control over all... they want to be able to block competition, and ensure all such content comes through them. They wish to be the gatekeepers, holding all the keys to the Internet, controlling all access, and only allow people to proceed if they approve of, and can charge a suitable fee for, said access.
Free market capitalism can produce good outcomes, but the for-profit corporation with legal status of a person and power to influence government is a toxin to society just as HIV or asbestos is to the body. They are sociopaths, and their press releases are always deceptive advertisements. A pretence of civic-minded motives on the part of a business is a sure sign of lying for profit.
It's sure heading that way... and it appears they want to "upgrade" the toxicity to the level of oh, say ingesting Cyanide.
This brings up an interesting related issue; That of Metered billing or overage charges. Once such a model is in place, their goals will have been greatly advanced, as "Consumers" will now be paying for information.... no matter who created it. In effect they will be able to profit off the works of everyone out there, without having to compensate anyone. They will make money by forcing you to pay for access to information. Even information you don't want. Man, what a cash cow that could be. The Toll-boothes on the Internet. |
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said by ninjatutle :as we know it... eh? its like saying myspace kills the internet |
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jester121
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Pretty funny stuff krk. For someone railing on about semantics you certainly chose your words carefully. "Filtering information" certainly sounds ominous, but a game or DVD or song isn't "information".
And part of your "essence of a network" is CONTROLLED access to those data, files, and information. For as long as computers have been hooked together there have been passwords and security restrictions. Anarchy doesn't end up being much fun for anyone. |
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KrK
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1 edit | That doesn't change anything I said, however. The very purpose of a network is to share files, data, and information quickly and efficiently. I'm not calling for anarchy, but neither am I for a Quasi-Government/Corporation match made in hell vetting and deciding what citizens can or cannot access, post, read, download, or whatever.
We already have sweeping, far reaching, extremely punitive laws on the books about Copyright. We don't need a new public/private agency to "protect" their business interests by quashing us.
It's a very small step from "Piracy filters" to "Illegal Information" filters.
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