Anonymus Coward
@optonline.net
| reply to Lex Luthor
Re: What's up with OOL domain servers now?
said by Lex Luthor  :said by stevehoff :Opt out is not cookie based. It opts out your modem and is permanent, even if your IP address changes. Anyone able to verify yet if it is cookie or modem based? I just tried it from a Lightpath connection and it said I have opted out, so I'm probably thinking it's just a cookie, which would be pretty lame. It's most definitely modem-based, and MUCH smarter than any other so-called "opt-out" scheme we've seen at other ISPs for DNS-hijacking, such as:
- having to configure specific other DNS servers manually (Verizon)
- Cookie-based "opt-out" that really isn't changing the underlying DNS fuckage (various ISPs), only the browser's presentation.
It appears that the opt-out even survives hooking up another device to the cable modem (try it - hook up your PC instead of your AP/NAT), using a different ethernet MAC - the DNS-hijacking remains *OFF*.
While other ISPs have paid at most lipservice with their so-called 'opt-out'. They designed it cutting corners and with the intent to make it difficult enough to actively deter people from opting out, but OOL seems to have achieved something everyone else hasn't: opt-out at low protocol level that's sticky for good:
After opting out, from another machine here:
$ dig @167.206.254.1 foobar.dslreports.com a
; > DiG 9.3.3 > @167.206.254.1 foobar.dslreports.com a
; (1 server found)
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 27150
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;foobar.dslreports.com. IN A
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
dslreports.com. 1200 IN SOA ns0.easydns.com. admin.easydns.com. 1217062612 21600 7200 604800 1200
;; Query time: 58 msec
;; SERVER: 167.206.254.1#53(167.206.254.1)
;; WHEN: Fri Sep 26 22:21:41 2008
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 94
e.g.: no resolution for something that DSLR has explicitly decided does not exist. |
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StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to yummcookies
said by yummcookies :said by mozart11 :I found the opt out. I wonder if it is just a cookie set? I delete cookies all the time. This is jut mad Yes it is cookie based because cookies on one PC will affect every computer in the house. That is how cookies work. Uhh, yeah...  |
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yummcookies
@cablevision.com
| reply to RickNY
said by RickNY :said by yummcookies :
Yes it is cookie based
said by yummcookies :
This is obviously not cookie based.
Wow, this is almost like calling customer service said by yummcookies :said by RickNY :said by yummcookies :
cookies on one PC will affect every computer in the house. That is how cookies work.
Ah yes -- I love when Cablevision employees know what they are talking about.  That is the bad thing about forums, hard to read sarcasm.  Wow, this almost like not reading. |
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RickNY
Premium
join:2000-11-02
New York
| reply to yummcookies
said by yummcookies :
Yes it is cookie based
said by yummcookies :
This is obviously not cookie based.
Wow, this is almost like calling customer service |
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yummcookies
@cablevision.com
| reply to Lex Luthor
said by Lex Luthor :said by stevehoff :Opt out is not cookie based. It opts out your modem and is permanent, even if your IP address changes. Anyone able to verify yet if it is cookie or modem based? I just tried it from a Lightpath connection and it said I have opted out, so I'm probably thinking it's just a cookie, which would be pretty lame. I opted out using the browser in my PS3 and now all 6 PCs in my house do not get redirection page. This is obviously not cookie based. |
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Lex Luthor
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| reply to stevehoff
said by stevehoff :Opt out is not cookie based. It opts out your modem and is permanent, even if your IP address changes. Anyone able to verify yet if it is cookie or modem based?
I just tried it from a Lightpath connection and it said I have opted out, so I'm probably thinking it's just a cookie, which would be pretty lame. |
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yummcookies
@cablevision.com
| reply to RickNY
said by RickNY :said by yummcookies :
cookies on one PC will affect every computer in the house. That is how cookies work.
Ah yes -- I love when Cablevision employees know what they are talking about. That is the bad thing about forums, hard to read sarcasm. |
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Muppet
@co.uk
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StreetSpirit
|  reply to yummcookies
Your the exact user this is aimed at. One that does not know what a cookie is and what it does.
Good job they opt-in you chaps, you'd never be able to do it yourself. |
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| reply to RickNY
Cablevision should have done this as an "opt IN" service. Basically it doesn't get turned on unless people go and turn it on.
It appears as though Cablevision is trying to be super controlling lately. First they hijack your ability to watch SD feeds if you have an HD cable box without letting you shut it off, and then they turn this thing... thankfully it can be opted out. But they didn't exactly tell people it was going to happen... most people probably don't even know that the channel mappings were going to change on the cable boxes either. |
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RickNY
Premium
join:2000-11-02
New York
| reply to yummcookies
said by yummcookies :
cookies on one PC will affect every computer in the house. That is how cookies work.
Ah yes -- I love when Cablevision employees know what they are talking about. |
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yummcookies
@cablevision.com
| reply to mozart11
said by mozart11 :I found the opt out. I wonder if it is just a cookie set? I delete cookies all the time. This is jut mad Yes it is cookie based because cookies on one PC will affect every computer in the house. That is how cookies work. |
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stevehoff
join:2005-12-16
Ardsley, NY | reply to mozart11
Opt out is not cookie based. It opts out your modem and is permanent, even if your IP address changes. |
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mozart11
join:2004-02-02
Mineola, NY
1 edit | reply to RickNY
I found the opt out. I wonder if it is just a cookie set? I delete cookies all the time.
This is jut mad |
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