Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part

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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA	reply to TKJunkMail Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part The whole bill should have been vetoed. We don't need bigger gov't to service as private police for racketeers like the RIAA.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	said by Dogfather : The whole bill should have been vetoed. We don't need bigger gov't to service as private police for racketeers like the RIAA. The gov't isn't protecting RIAA. It is protecting "intellectual property" rights of many industries. And "intellectual property" makes up a larger and larger part of the US GDP and an even larger part of our exports. It is helping protect our economy from pirates. said by DrModem : Train other countries?! WTFriggingheck? Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
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jc100 join:2002-04-10 1 edit	Here's where you are wrong TK.. Are you ever Right (nope)?. Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that... So yes, this is Big Government and Big Brother again. This time from the Democrats. Usually, it's been from the far right, but the left is starting their own stupidity. I'm amazed Bush was the one with COMMON SENSE here. This must be an alternate reality when I hear that said.
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA ·Cox HSI ·Verizon FIOS ·Cox VOIP ·ViaTalk ·RoadRunner Cable ·MegaPath ·Verizon west (ex G.. ·Time Warner VOIP 2 edits	reply to TKJunkMail There already is IP law and it's already enforced. We don't need bigger government and more bureaucrats to serve as private police because corporations bought off some politicians. If the gov't actually wanted to deal with IP crimes they could do so tomorrow. We run an ever increasing trade deficit with countries like China. Raise tariffs based on their human rights and IP violations and you will see China get IP crime under control tomorrow. This is no different than claiming that the Patriot Act is to keep us safe while the gov't keeps the borders wide open because corporations love the slave labor. It's typical gov't double-speak and corruption...this time just more bullshit ass kissing of corporations by their lapdogs in Congress and as usual you sign on to it.
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA 1 edit	reply to jc100 But when the RIAA actually has to go to court and do their own dirty work they lose. So they have to buy off Congress to do it for them.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	reply to jc100 said by jc100 : Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that. The US government has been protecting the US economy, especially where foreign trade is concerned, since the US was founded. Read a little history before making invalid claims. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA ·Cox HSI ·Verizon FIOS ·Cox VOIP ·ViaTalk ·RoadRunner Cable ·MegaPath ·Verizon west (ex G.. ·Time Warner VOIP 1 edit	Oh yeah, our EXPLODING trade deficit and decimation of our manufacturing sectors through outsourcing is proof the Federal gov't is protecting the US economy. Yep, kissing the ass of corporate interests has our economy in excellent shape. Everything is AWESOME. What horsecrap.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast 1 edit	said by Dogfather : Oh yeah, our EXPLODING trade deficit and decimation of our manufacturing sectors through outsourcing is proof the Federal gov't is protecting the US economy. What horsecrap. You are commenting on the governments ability to do a GOOD job. NOT on their responsibility to do the job at all. The job needs doing. It just needs to be done better. Maybe the new law will help them do that. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA	More pro-corproate laws and bigger gov't aren't a solution.
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK ·AT&T Yahoo ·AT&T DSL Service ·Cox HSI	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : The gov't isn't protecting RIAA. It is protecting "intellectual property" rights of many industries. And "intellectual property" makes up a larger and larger part of the US GDP and an even larger part of our exports. Yep. I mean we've already given up our manufacturing base, and we're giving up our Tech industry base, and lately even some of our service base. We've got to have SOMETHING left, or America will end up in debt and bankrupt... Oh wait... -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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bear73 Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies Premium join:2001-06-09 Grand Forks Afb, ND ·Midcontinent Commu..	reply to TKJunkMail While i agree with you TK that GOVT has the responsibility I have little faith that this new bill will actually result in them DOING a good job. IF there were bigger penalties for those in Congress, Judicial, and enforcement then I might have some faith. But until you see them held to the same standards that our military is held to (98% do The Right Thing and are held to it)then nothing will change. And onestly its do to a degradation of the morals of society. Things that are acceptable to the majority today would not have been tolerated 50 years ago. -- If ya gotta go, Go with a SMILE! »www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	said by bear73 : While i agree with you TK that GOVT has the responsibility I have little faith that this new bill will actually result in them DOING a good job. IF there were bigger penalties for those in Congress, Judicial, and enforcement then I might have some faith. But until you see them held to the same standards that our military is held to (98% do The Right Thing and are held to it)then nothing will change. And onestly its do to a degradation of the morals of society. Things that are acceptable to the majority today would not have been tolerated 50 years ago. I agree with you that the job isn't being done well. But I strongly disagree with those(like some above) that say since the job is hard to do and has been done badly, that it shouldn't be done at all. That makes the situation 10x worse. But there are many who think lack of morals and anarchy are a preferred way to operate in. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
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Nightshade sic semper tyrannis Premium join:2002-05-26 Salem, OR 2 edits	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. Even if the foreign laws of intellectual property rights are different than US Laws? Tell me TK are they gonna teach foreign companies US law or their own laws? If that's the case what laws are going to be more supreme, the laws of the US or the laws of the foreign country that the US companies choose to do business in? I think foreign countries know their laws pretty well. After all, they did pass them. The last thing any foreign country want is some other country coming in and "training" them what the foreign country's laws are and it should be done their way. Many countries would consider that a threat of their sovereignty. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." Voltaire
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	said by Nightshade : said by TKJunkMail : Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. Even if the foreign laws of intellectual property rights are different than US Laws? Tell me TK are they gonna teach foreign companies US law or their own laws? If that's the case what laws are going to be more supreme, the laws of the US or the laws of the foreign country that the US companies choose to do business in? I think foreign countries know their laws pretty well. After all, they did pass them. The last thing any foreign country want is some other country coming in and training them what the foreign country's laws are and it should be done their way. Many countries would consider that a threat of their sovereignty. And the education part is to get them(countries) to strengthen their laws and show that it is often in their own intellectual property industries interests to do so and that reciprocity benefits all. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
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Count Zero MD2Be Premium join:2007-01-18 Warner Robins, GA ·AT&T DSL Service ·Cox HSI	reply to jc100 That's not entirely true - there are certain cases where protecting the IP of a private company is important to the government, but music and movies certainly does NOT fit that bill. I don't see the incentive for other countries to go along with this though, afterall it isn't their economy being hurt by the piracy - and given the tactics thusly employed by the RIAA/MPAA I don't care if piracy even slows down as long as they're around.
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : said by Nightshade : said by TKJunkMail : Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. Even if the foreign laws of intellectual property rights are different than US Laws? Tell me TK are they gonna teach foreign companies US law or their own laws? If that's the case what laws are going to be more supreme, the laws of the US or the laws of the foreign country that the US companies choose to do business in? I think foreign countries know their laws pretty well. After all, they did pass them. The last thing any foreign country want is some other country coming in and training them what the foreign country's laws are and it should be done their way. Many countries would consider that a threat of their sovereignty. And the education part is to get them(countries) to strengthen their laws and show that it is often in their own intellectual property industries interests to do so and that reciprocity benefits all. American laws are way way too strong atm though. it is totally unreasonable that current copyrights last nearly 100 years after the death of the artist. i could support Copyright more if it lasted say only 15-20 years from the creation of the media. in other words making it more similar to a drug patent. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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jc100 join:2002-04-10	reply to TKJunkMail Protecting the economy is NOT what this bill does. It protects PRIVATE CORPORATE interests at the expense of the Tax Payer. You bitch and bitch about big government, then support this law? Seriously, WHY SHOULD MY MONEY be spent to ensure PRIVATE interests. If you ran a car dealership, is it the cities duty to make sure it doesn't get broken into? Should they station a cop there 24 hours a day / 7 days a week JUST for your business? That's exactly what the RIAA is getting. A 24/7 Private police force that TAX PAYERS are footing the bill for. Police in a community protect everything , NOT JUST ONE asset. We're paying for this PRIVATE COMPANY to have their own force. What a joke. You can't justify it and there's nothing that you will say that will give justification. Go ahead and try. There's a huge difference between setting up an organization to see EVERYONE'S interests versus dedicating it to ONE SPECIFIC entity. Either way, tax payers shouldn't foot the bill on something like this pet project. End of story.
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jc100 join:2002-04-10	reply to TKJunkMail So let's see. If you can't do it right, you should still try anyway? That works well. I mean hell, we got Iraq. We messed that one up, but YAY WE TRIED. Everyone in DSLREPORTS give us a cheer. Give me a break dude. Do you read what you write, or just type so you get responses out of us? Things need to be planned and executed and the cost weighed. With our economy going to SHIT, and taxpayers spending 700 billion PROBABLY, these PET PROJECTS are the last thing we need. Americans are losing their houses, jobs, etc. We don't need to be protecting corporate interests at our expense. IT IS THEIR JOB to protect THEIR PROPERTY.
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jc100 join:2002-04-10	reply to TKJunkMail So wait, America should TELL THE WORLD HOW TO ACT? Isn't that why we are HATED enough already? We try to tell everybody everything. Just because we have laws here, DOES NOT MEAN others have to abide by them. You my friend don't think before you type. Every country is SOVEREIGN and free to choose their legal system without OUR interference.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	reply to jc100 said by jc100 : It protects PRIVATE CORPORATE interests ... WHY SHOULD MY MONEY be spent to ensure PRIVATE interests. I know I can talk until I am blue in the face and you will NEVER get it or agree, but the law is to protect all IP(intellectual property) and not just the RIAA or MPAA. And protecting Corporate interests also protects about 75% of the US economy. Don't like that? Too bad. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
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