NetAdmin
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| $700 billion could also...
1. Repair or replace a good portion, if not most, of the structurally deficient bridges and roadways in the US
2. Help halt and reverse coastal erosion and wetlands loss in states like Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas and other areas.
3. Could build Category 5 hurricane protection in areas line Southeast and Southwestern Louisiana, Florida, Texas and other vulnerable areas.
4. It would be MORE than enough to overhaul the deplorable state of health care and mental health services that Veterans and former armed services members get by overhauling the VA and modernizing the facilities.
The list goes on.
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dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29 | Amazing how the government can't fix roads properly fund schools. Yet suddenly we got plenty of money to give away so they can go on and do it again now knowing the government will bail them out. What a crock. What an example to set. |
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P Ness
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said by NetAdmin  :1. Repair or replace a good portion, if not most, of the structurally deficient bridges and roadways in the US 2. Help halt and reverse coastal erosion and wetlands loss in states like Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas and other areas. 3. Could build Category 5 hurricane protection in areas line Southeast and Southwestern Louisiana, Florida, Texas and other vulnerable areas. 4. It would be MORE than enough to overhaul the deplorable state of health care and mental health services that Veterans and former armed services members get by overhauling the VA and modernizing the facilities. The list goes on. 1. blah, should not even cost that much
2. worthless.
3. worthless. no one is paying to protect my house why should i pay to protect yours?
4. blah so much corruption and wasted money..there is already enough in military spending to do this. |
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NetAdmin
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| said by P Ness :1. blah, should not even cost that much There's a lot more out there than you think.
2. worthless.
3. worthless. no one is paying to protect my house why should i pay to protect yours? Actually, in both cases, the federal government's policies to oil leases and lax environmental regulations regarding wetlands during the oil boom is WHY the problem exists. The federal government should fix something they created.
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Boogeyman
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| Soil erosion is caused by wind and water movement taking away small bits of soil with it. So unless you think that the federal government is God, Allah, Jehovah, FSM, Buddha, Xenu, etc, then no, its not the governments fault.
The noly way I know of for humans to contribute to soil erosion is to remove all plant life from the soil that helps hold the soil in place. And yes, we have done plenty of that. But its not big oil doing it, its big agriculture, big mining, and other industries that tear up large chunks of land. Though I believe the mining companies are now required to fix the mess they make.
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NOCMan
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NetAdmin
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said by Boogeyman :Soil erosion is caused by wind and water movement taking away small bits of soil with it. Soil erosion, like that caused by rivers and streams, is a far different animal from coastal erosion.
The noly way I know of for humans to contribute to soil erosion is to remove all plant life from the soil that helps hold the soil in place. And yes, we have done plenty of that. But its not big oil doing it, its big agriculture, big mining, and other industries that tear up large chunks of land. Though I believe the mining companies are now required to fix the mess they make. Look into the coastal swamps and marshes in areas of Texas and southern Louisiana. During the late sixties, seventies and throughout the eighties, oil exploration firms ripped the marshlands to shreds by dredging canals, which permitted salt water intrusion that killed the marshlands. The Corps of Engineers built levees along the Mississippi the Mississippi, which also contributes to coastal erosion in Southern Louisiana. The intracoastal waterway, in other areas, is also causing its own share of problems.
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Dogfather
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But alas, they DON'T have the money. They have to borrow it and pay interest, blowing our already out of control deficit into the stratosphere. |
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sansri88
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You aren't a civil engineer, are you.
My dad is one. He's worked in the NYC area for 20+ years in the industry.
Many bridges are in terrible shape, and to fix them would require replacement, not rehab. Just look at the deficient Tappan Zee Bridge. $6 billion just to replace the bridge.
The costs are staggering, and are not as cheap as you may think they are.
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said by Dogfather :But alas, they DON'T have the money. They have to borrow it and pay interest, blowing our already out of control deficit into the stratosphere. The government will do what all governments do when they can no longer borrow money.
They will simply print it.
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jc100
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| While devalues the Dollar on the World market, causing massive inflation. Hence the HUGE increases in food prices, oil, and all facets of life in the past 8 years. Bush added 6 trillion to the deficit. It's like the dilemma we're in now. People borrow and don't want to pay back. Doing so means you got bad credit. The U.S. is in so much debt to the world, thanks to Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr, our dollar is a laughing stock about now. |
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RayW
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| said by jc100 :While devalues the Dollar on the World market, causing massive inflation. Hence the HUGE increases in food prices, oil, and all facets of life in the past 8 years. Bush added 6 trillion to the deficit. It's like the dilemma we're in now. People borrow and don't want to pay back. Doing so means you got bad credit. The U.S. is in so much debt to the world, thanks to Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr, our dollar is a laughing stock about now. Yeah, and the Democratic controlled house and senate are pushing hard to spend even more to bail their buddies out. Can't win for losing when you are where we are.
The Dems will push the bill through, which has more pork in it now than a pig farm to bribe all the bodies in the house and senate who are up for election, and Bush will eagerly sign it to say that he did something when in reality the problem could have and should have been solved by the legislative branch a couple of years ago. But, hind sight is 20/20, and politicians have rose colored glasses on that have built in holographic projectors so they can ignore reality.
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Boogeyman
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Huntsville, AL | reply to NOCMan
FSM = Flying Spaghetti Monster 
I would never risk offending His Noodliness.
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Boogeyman
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I just moved from Panama City, FL, and let me tell you, it takes less than 6 months for the underbrush and weeds to grow back high enough that you would know it was ever gone.
But yeah, they probably did do that a lot in the 80's, but that was 20 years ago. A lot of stuff has been growing since then. Or someone just built a walmart/condo/housing comunity there.
"Coastal Erosion" is caused by waves removing sand from beaches. PC spent over $3m to have sand dredged out of the Gulf and put back on the beach right before Ivan hit.
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jc100
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Democrats tax to pay their way. Republicans Borrow. Taxing pays as you go, but as all politicians do, waste waste waste. Borrowing hurts worse though. It devalues the dollar and raises prices. As anyone can tell you, higher prices are something that stick around. People and companies are not apt to lower things, even if the dollar gets better. Therefore, the Republicans sink us into far worse situations. Not to mention, BLS.Gov shows any time a Republican is in Office, Unemployment SKYROCKETS and the Deficit does too. Don't get me wrong, Democrats suck equally as bad at blowing our money. It's just in such a way it doesn't screw up stuff on a global scale. |
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doc69
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said by NetAdmin :said by P Ness :1. blah, should not even cost that much There's a lot more out there than you think. 2. worthless.
3. worthless. no one is paying to protect my house why should i pay to protect yours? Actually, in both cases, the federal government's policies to oil leases and lax environmental regulations regarding wetlands during the oil boom is WHY the problem exists. The federal government should fix something they created.
If the government created something it was an accident. If they destroyed something it was on purpose. |
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RayW
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said by jc100 :Democrats tax to pay their way. Republicans Borrow. Taxing pays as you go, but as all politicians do, waste waste waste. Borrowing hurts worse though. It devalues the dollar and raises prices. As anyone can tell you, higher prices are something that stick around. People and companies are not apt to lower things, even if the dollar gets better. Therefore, the Republicans sink us into far worse situations. Not to mention, BLS.Gov shows any time a Republican is in Office, Unemployment SKYROCKETS and the Deficit does too. Don't get me wrong, Democrats suck equally as bad at blowing our money. It's just in such a way it doesn't screw up stuff on a global scale. Or in other words, both parties wind up raising taxes and putting us deeper in debt. Just the order changes and the method used to get there.
What a choice coming up, a 1/4 slaver, 1/2 white boy, 1/4 foreigner who claims to be what he is not and has done nothing on his own and an old crony type who has done a lot, but nothing that people I know in Arizona who think like I do like.
Wish we had None Of The Above on the ballot. That would be my choice since the rest of the pack looks like a bunch of fruitcakes to me and Biden I did not care for when I lived in Texas (Obama is NOT for change picking him!). The only one I do not know about is Palin, and she either walks on water or makes Obama and McCain look good. Kind of hard to tell since the reporting is so partisan twisted and it seems she has cramped her style spouting McCain's party line.
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Gogo1
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said by jc100 :BLS.Gov shows any time a Republican is in Office, Unemployment SKYROCKETS and the Deficit does too. Don't get me wrong, Democrats suck equally as bad at blowing our money. It's just in such a way it doesn't screw up stuff on a global scale. I think the problem is that the interests of politicians do not align with the interests of the populations/countries as a whole.
The interest of a politician is to get elected in X years time. The interest of a country is to be stable and prosperous over the long term. What a politician needs to do in government to achieve the former, often conflicts with what he needs to do to achieve the later. I wonder which goal these aholes choose. |
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NetAdmin
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said by Boogeyman :I just moved from Panama City, FL, and let me tell you, it takes less than 6 months for the underbrush and weeds to grow back high enough that you would know it was ever g one. But yeah, they probably did do that a lot in the 80's, but that was 20 years ago. A lot of stuff has been growing since then. Wetlands and coastal swamps are different ecosystems from a beach, so what works on a beach doesn't work in wetlands or coastal swamps.
And no, it has not gotten better. Saltwater intrusion is a process that accelerates. And in 20 years, the problem has gotten worse in the wetlands, putting more and more homes and industry at risk.
"Coastal Erosion" is caused by waves removing sand from beaches. PC spent over $3m to have sand dredged out of the Gulf and put back on the beach right before Ivan hit.
Coastal refers to much more than waves removing just sand from a beach and is not always repaired with the simple task of pumping sand in.
Like I said, research the topic.
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jc100
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Well Palin scares the CRAP out of me. I won't vote for her for all the tea in china. I wish we had OTHER choices between the 2 we got. Being we got 2 choices, I can't give McCain / Palin my vote. I don't much care for Obama and I think Biden is a waste. Being that's basically the rundown, I guess for me it'll be Obama. No 3rd party has won in 120 years. It just doesn't pay to vote for one. Then again, as long as Americans are LAZY and consider the first tues in november (30 percent anyway) their civic duty, it doesn't matter who wins. We are such a lazy bunch of people, that once these idiots get elected, we don't hold them accountable for nothing. Then when things get bad, we whine and go about the same routing every 1-4 years. You'd think we'd learn. We don't.
As for Palin:
Troopergate
Belief that Sex Education is Wrong (prob why her daughter pregnant)
Wanting to fire librarians for REFUSING to ban books while mayor.
Worst of all, while mayor of Wasilla, she enforced a lay that charged women 1000 dollars for rape kits.
She's unconscionable. I hate the other 3 on the list, but she disgusts me. |
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