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TKJunkMail
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"Several tests were performed with DTV signals present in adjacent channels.
These tests showed that in the presence of moderate-to-strong signals in a first adjacent channel, the detection threshold sensitivity of all of the devices was severely impacted.
For some of the devices, the degradation in the detection sensitivity was as much as 60- 70 dB.
In some cases, the degradation was such that the detection threshold could not be measured.
This could impact significantly the ability of the devices to reliably detect TV signals within stations’ service areas."

"In some instances, the Adaptrum, I2R, and Motorola (in sensing only mode)
devices incorrectly reported channels as unoccupied (available) when the
WSD was operated within a station’s service contour and the signal was
viewable."

BTW, anyone who has seen what a mess the FCC database currently is has to wonder how well geo-location will work.
The FCC engineers in the report have cautioned about all the problems. But Martin is going forward as if their reservations were irrelevant. The use of White Space spectrum is going to move forward no matter what it does in interfering with DTV transmissions. As usual, the FCC is making a political decision and not an engineering one.
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What is your problem with competition?


sturmvogel
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said by ieolus See Profile :

What is your problem with competition?
He is a republican and he likes Comcast. His image includes the word "junk" and a picture of Palin and McCain.

Need more ?
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I do need more. Republicans are supposedly for capitalism, which at it's heart is all about competition. Monopolies distort capitalism and distort the market. I need more.
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sturmvogel
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I do need more. Republicans are supposedly for capitalism, which at it's heart is all about competition. Monopolies distort capitalism and distort the market. I need more.
That would be a "true" republican, as Ron Paul. The current republican party transformed itself into a neoconservative party that just talks about republican values while doing things totally opposite to that, as in greatly supporting monopolies and giving away taxpayers' money to failed institutions that pump millions of "contributions" to their republican frieds.

A clear case of these values is the appointment as candidate for president of McCain/Pain over a true republican as Ron Paul. I am a registered republican and would have voted for Ron Paul, he stands for what I believe are the true republican values I agree with. I will vote democrat due to the fact that I cannot agree with someone like McCain and Palin and would not want Palin to have control over nuclear weapons in case McCain dies of old age/cancer/whatever at his advanced age. I of course should say "nucular weapuns" so our Junk friend here could follow the conversation.
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and your a obama supporter need we say more.we realize because of that your expectations are not that much


sturmvogel
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Re: Not so fast

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and your a obama supporter need we say more.we realize because of that your expectations are not that much
I am a true republican and an Obama supporter due to the unfortunate appointment of McCain/Palin as candidates. Read above.
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said by sturmvogel See Profile :

said by obama sux :

and your a obama supporter need we say more.we realize because of that your expectations are not that much
I am a true republican and an Obama supporter due to the unfortunate appointment of McCain/Palin as candidates. Read above.
If you were a TRUE Republican you couldn't vote for Obama. Maybe Libertarian candidate Bob Barr, but not Obama.
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sturmvogel
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by sturmvogel See Profile :

said by obama sux :

and your a obama supporter need we say more.we realize because of that your expectations are not that much
I am a true republican and an Obama supporter due to the unfortunate appointment of McCain/Palin as candidates. Read above.
If you were a TRUE Republican you couldn't vote for Obama. Maybe Libertarian candidate Bob Barr, but not Obama.
If you were a republican, you could not vote for MCain/Palin. A neocon, sure.
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I have to agree that no true Republican could vote for Obama but voting for McCain wouldn't be easy for such a person either. Of course a true Democrat also couldn't vote for Obama because he lost all credibility of being for the working class when he chose corporate shill Biden for his running mate.


sturmvogel
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said by Sammer See Profile :

I have to agree that no true Republican could vote for Obama but voting for McCain wouldn't be easy for such a person either. Of course a true Democrat also couldn't vote for Obama because he lost all credibility of being for the working class when he chose corporate shill Biden for his running mate.
Why did you leave out of the comment the Russia expert Palin ?
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What is your problem with competition?
No problem with competition. I do have a problem with an FCC chairman who lies about what was in the FCC report and the problems with interference that report identified.

»www.informationweek.com/news/tel···11201730
The NAB said an "upbeat" executive summary does not jibe with a technical report released Wednesday by the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology.

"It would appear that the FCC is misinterpreting the actual data collected by their own engineers," NAB executive VP Dennis Wharton said in a statement. "Any reasonable analysis of the OET report would conclude that unlicensed devices that rely solely on spectrum sensing threaten the viability of clear television reception. Basing public policy on an imprecise Cliff Notes version of a 149-page report raises troubling questions."
»www.networkworld.com/news/2008/1···ses.html
There was a "lot of disconnect" between the results in the report and FCC Chairman Kevin Martin's announcement Wednesday to move forward with allowing new broadband devices to operate in the white spaces, said Mark Brunner, senior director of public and industry relations for microphone maker Shure. The tests showed significant problems with interference with existing users of the TV spectrum, Brunner said. "In our view, [the devices] did not pass muster," Brunner said.

Seventy U.S. lawmakers, as well as some mobile phone carriers and other groups, have raised questions about interference by white-space devices.
And the FCC is going to go forward without a period of time for public comment. Usually a sign that the FCC doesn't want to open itself to second guessing.
»www.betanews.com/article/TV_broa···24195680
In the absence of a period of public comment, the FCC is now set to deliver a ruling on November 4 about opening up the white spaces around licensed spectrum to free and open access. If the ruling is in favor of the move, an implementation directive is anticipated in early December.

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sturmvogel
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by ieolus See Profile :

What is your problem with competition?
No problem with competition. I do have a problem with an FCC chairman who lies about what was in the FCC report and the problems with interference that report identified.

»www.informationweek.com/news/tel···11201730
The NAB said an "upbeat" executive summary does not jibe with a technical report released Wednesday by the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology.

"It would appear that the FCC is misinterpreting the actual data collected by their own engineers," NAB executive VP Dennis Wharton said in a statement. "Any reasonable analysis of the OET report would conclude that unlicensed devices that rely solely on spectrum sensing threaten the viability of clear television reception. Basing public policy on an imprecise Cliff Notes version of a 149-page report raises troubling questions."
»www.networkworld.com/news/2008/1···ses.html
There was a "lot of disconnect" between the results in the report and FCC Chairman Kevin Martin's announcement Wednesday to move forward with allowing new broadband devices to operate in the white spaces, said Mark Brunner, senior director of public and industry relations for microphone maker Shure. The tests showed significant problems with interference with existing users of the TV spectrum, Brunner said. "In our view, [the devices] did not pass muster," Brunner said.

Seventy U.S. lawmakers, as well as some mobile phone carriers and other groups, have raised questions about interference by white-space devices.
And the FCC is going to go forward without a period of time for public comment. Usually a sign that the FCC doesn't want to open itself to second guessing.
»www.betanews.com/article/TV_broa···24195680
In the absence of a period of public comment, the FCC is now set to deliver a ruling on November 4 about opening up the white spaces around licensed spectrum to free and open access. If the ruling is in favor of the move, an implementation directive is anticipated in early December.
Since you have a problem with lying, would you also have problems with Comcast lying in my opinion to the FCC ? Or do you have problems with lying only when the FCC supposedly does it ?

Just curious.
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