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said by TKJunkMail  :Given the state of the economy and the already horrendous budget deficit expected to reach over $500 billion in the coming fiscal year... Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. Tax and spend, or borrow and spend. Take your pick.
Back on topic, Cerf would be a good choice as CTO. This the technological direction of this country needs to be more Google-like and less M$-like.
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1 edit | said by bent :Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. True. I figured that once Hillary Clinton became president, we could go back to the good old days of the 1990s, right?
Oh, wait a minute.
said by bent :This the technological direction of this country needs to be more Google-like and less M$-like. How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders.
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| said by pnh102 :How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders. The philosophies of how they go about doing that are vastly different.
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| said by bent :said by pnh102 :How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders. The philosophies of how they go about doing that are vastly different. Are they different? I don't think so. It is just that they are at different phases of the same reality - creating a monopoly. Microsoft is at the phase where they are trying to protect their gains and slow the descent. Google is still in the expansion phase and just now is drawing the attention of anti-trust regulators around the world. They are 2 sides of the same coin separated by ten years of history.
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| said by TKJunkMail :They are 2 sides of the same coin separated by ten years of history. Google is also smart enough to get in bed with the politicians before any bogus anti-trust lawsuits can be filed. 
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I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from?
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| said by bent :I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from? According to your link, Bill Gates stole DOS from no one. He paid the original creator a sum of money in exchange for the rights to the OS and then modified it as he saw fit. None of this is illegal, much less "stealing."
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said by bent :I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from? And Google didn't create the "search engine". They built on earlier search engine technologies. Patent infringement anyone? Google has had to defend themselves in court on that issue already.
And Google has bought up more companies for their technology(search & otherwise) than Microsoft ever did.
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So because I paid you money for pirated software, that makes my copy legit? Don't think so. |
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1 edit | said by bent :So because I paid you money for pirated software, that makes my copy legit? Don't think so. Of course it doesn't. But Bill, nor the company from which he purchased QDOS, did not pirate anything.
Besides, quite a bit of popular open-source, zero cost software has been developed using the same methods that the company which made QDOS used. It may not have been pirated, but it was emulated quite well. 
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Re: Money for this will be hard to get
Just curious as to where you get your facts? Seems like more then business week is wrong. MS has purchased many more companies then Google.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co···poration
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Perhaps you should listen to Tim Paterson's interview on BBC concerning Microsoft's acquisition of QDOS/DOS. Tim was the original author so if anyone should know the real story its him.
»www.patersontech.com/Downloads/T···nBBC.mp3
He certainly had/has no problems with Microsoft's acquisition of his OS and Microsoft even worked with them (Seattle Computer Products) for about a year helping them develop/finish it before acquiring it. While it might have proven over the years to have been a good business move, it certainly wasn't as 'evil' as people might think and Tim certainly doesn't have any regrets about it.
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| My question would be how much of DOS was CP/M, and was CP/M public domain at that point? Wikipedia claims that there were several important resemblances, and I had always heard the same. We had a proto-pc in our house that ran CP/M off of 8" floppies before IBM started selling PCs with DOS. I was pretty young at the time, but an end user would be pressed to tell the difference between between the two. Did Seattle Computer Products purchase that code from Digital Research?
From the above link:
"CP/M-86 was expected to be the standard operating system of the new IBM PCs, but DRI and IBM were unable to negotiate development and licensing terms. IBM turned to Microsoft instead, and Microsoft delivered PC-DOS based on a CP/M "clone," 86-DOS. Although CP/M-86 became an option for the IBM PC after DRI threatened legal action, it never overtook Microsoft's system."
That whole deal sounded shady as hell to me when I first heard about it, and it still does.
Sorry to derail the thread so horribly, but mentioning Cerf and Ballmer in the same context was asking for it
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| said by bent :Sorry to derail the thread so horribly, but mentioning Cerf and Ballmer in the same context was asking for it Suggesting either for this position is insane as I would hope there is someone who is without commercial influence and could find and make the decisions that would best serve all concerned and given this is a government type position serve the public first and foremost. Certainly I would rather have someone from a purely academic background as they would tend to be a little freer of such influences, but yet know the issues and technology etc.
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| said by Link Logger :Suggesting either for this position is insane as I would hope there is someone who is without commercial influence and could find and make the decisions that would best serve all concerned and given this is a government type position serve the public first and foremost. Certainly I would rather have someone from a purely academic background as they would tend to be a little freer of such influences, but yet know the issues and technology etc. Blake The flip side to that is that people from purely academic environs can be out of touch with the business world that drives technology adoption. I'm not saying that's always the case, but...
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said by bent :I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from? According to O'Bama's support of HR4137, O'Bama feels infringing someone's deployed creation is stealing.
So then, the answer to your question is,
ask jeeves
altavista
dogpile
vivisimo
lycos
alltheweb
hotbot
webcrawler
infoseek
looksmart
wisenut
yahoo!
einet galaxy
excite
virtual library
rsbe
wwwworm
aliweb
veronica
archie
smart
to name a few.
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| I'm not sure what you're implying by your list of Googles competition, but I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own.
This is the sort of thing I associate with Google:
"After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page, and CEO Eric Schmidt, requested that their base salary be cut to US$1.00. Subsequent offers by the company to increase their salaries have been turned down, primarily because, "their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests." Prior to 2004, Schmidt was making US$250,000 per year, and Page and Brin each earned a salary of US$150,000."
Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that?
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It was shady. DOS was CP/M with very minor modifications. |
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said by bent :said by TKJunkMail :Given the state of the economy and the already horrendous budget deficit expected to reach over $500 billion in the coming fiscal year... Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. Tax and spend, or borrow and spend. Take your pick. Wrongo Bongo... I guess the more it's proclaimed the truer it gets... »www.letxa.com/articles/16 |
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