SSX4life
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| nerf ret paladins *again* Fu*king ridiculous .... I'm stunned from 100 to 0 and I even got the jump on the bastard.
Full T6 with glaves (pve spec)... popped everything I got hammered / stunned a 2nd time / then dead.
I'm sorry but last time I checked rogues were the stun class, and yes I know they are not balanced properly @ 70 but this is just crazy stupid.
I get the jump on him and he is still at over 50% health. /sigh
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elboricua
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Bronx, NY | Re: nerf ret paladins *again* As a clothie all I can say is welcome to my world. That is how I feel when I get stunned by a rogue and don't even get off an instant cast dot on my lock. | |
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SSX4life
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* Right but that's rock paper sissors. A good frost mage or SL / SL lock will beat me if played well.
You can have a full S4 rogue get beaten by a paladin in greens, there just is something wrong with that. They need to stop making the game about who has the most armor... this is just stupid. I have glaves for petes sake...
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elboricua
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* Good for you with your glaves. I have a pally but he is specced Prot not ret. Even putting points in hammer he cannot keep you stunned past the duration of the 10 second hammer. It has a 60 second cool down. No way he could have had you stunned that whole time without help. either another pally or rogue in the area. | |
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SSX4life
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* I basically got 4 shot. Stunned from 100-0 is possible for a rogue with blind, gouge, vanish, etc.
Paladin just stunned and burst me down in under 8 seconds. Simply stupid OP currently.
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elboricua
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* So a class that has been shit dps wise since they started suddenly gets a buff and everyone QQ's? My answer will be the same one rogues love to give people who QQ about them. Learn to deal with the changes. Ret pallies are not unbeatable, same as rogues are not unbeatable.
Everyone will need to learn to deal and not cry for the nerf bat because you got roflpwned. It happens. Welcome the rock to the rogue scissor. | |
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SSX4life
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* The burst dmg from divine storm is just stupid high at the moment. I know it will be balanced at 80, I just am frustrated at being 4 shotted... and it's not just rogues.
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join:2008-02-07 | Re: nerf ret paladins *again* I don't think you'll find anyone except pallies who don't think they are stupidly over powered.
Ironically when TBC talents came to us at level 60 it was exactly the same, pallies were killing people without getting hit. | |
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| said by elboricua  :So a class that has been shit dps wise since they started suddenly gets a buff and everyone QQ's? My answer will be the same one rogues love to give people who QQ about them. Learn to deal with the changes. Ret pallies are not unbeatable, same as rogues are not unbeatable. Everyone will need to learn to deal and not cry for the nerf bat because you got roflpwned. It happens. Welcome the rock to the rogue scissor. It's not just rock scissor, it's 10 ton boulder vs plastic safety scissors. No one is complaining that rets got a buff, it's that the buff went too far.
For all the constant complaining about rogues since about S2, they can't take out a geared player in the space of a cheap shot or even a kidney shot. Neither should rets be able to take out geared players in the space of a HoJ. | |
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| lol, I have been given a drive by paladins before, 430 resilance, 13k health lock. The only way you survive is if you trinket out of the first stun and run while throwing COE over your back, even then if he bubbles and catches you, you are dead while he is immune in a matter of seconds. | |
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| said by SSX4life :Right but that's rock paper sissors. A good frost mage or SL / SL lock will beat me if played well. You can have a full S4 rogue get beaten by a paladin in greens, there just is something wrong with that. They need to stop making the game about who has the most armor... this is just stupid. I have glaves for petes sake... It appears that resilience is currently bugged.
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| I'm sorry but if you truly are a rogue in full S4 and you have twin blades and the retri pally was in greens (and therefore not pvp gear) and he got you in 4 hits, you must have been naked or afk. Some sort of exageration is at play here.
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by saillaw :I'm sorry but if you truly are a rogue in full S4 and you have twin blades and the retri pally was in greens (and therefore not pvp gear) and he got you in 4 hits, you must have been naked or afk. Some sort of exageration is at play here. He said he was in full T6 and PvE specced which means probably 0 resil at all.
And for the OP, it's "glaives". I hate being the spelling nazi but it's in my nature. Many apologies. | |
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4 edits | I play a BM Hunter/ Prot Pally ATM, I dont think they are OP, I guess people not use to seeing pally putting it down. Druid are just as burty and hit as hard as a Pally I don’t see no complaining about druids
I don’t know how you lost to a pally in greens with you in supposedly T6, where you facing the right direction? Find it hard to believe that pally stunned you a 2nd time with a 1 min CD on Stun but I could be wrong. Ret/Pally are fine I was able to kite one with ease concussion shot/frost trap/tendon rip from pet/hyena. we had about the same armor 2 pieces of s4 rest s3.
Its all how you play your class, and I've got raped my by rogues too..you guys have Gouge, Sap and Blind and if things go bad you guys have Cloak and Vanish stop complaining what you not happy anymore because you cant kill someone while they are stunned during the whole fight
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| I'm sorry but I just simply love the tears.
Rogues have irritated me no end forEVER. Cheap CHEAP pvp class. I have a combat rogue with some s2 some rep blues, the aldor vindicator and a blinkstrike so shes not well geared but not in greens. I think 'we' are so cheap. Only people who (did) give me trouble in bgs were people who greatly outgear me, and thats a lot. Anyone else I have enough pvp toys to really give them a fit even with my gear level.
So the pally changes went live. Only pallies I tried out so far in bgs are my holy. Got jumped by a rogue, did the usual stuff as holy (consecrate, righteousness or Vengeance, judge when it was up, holy shock.) etc. stunned, judged. Did a lot of damage waaay more than I usually did. finally made him break off and vanish. Wish I had something on him that might have prevented 
Another quickie. Was on my 70 ret hord-adin going to SM for horseman last night and on way in get a duel challenge. Pallies pretty poorly geared. S2 Helm, shoulders and thats all the pvp gear. Look around and its a 68 rogue. O.....k. Lets try it. Hes being a smartass and keeps running in just as my consecrate is fading and sapping me. Does it three times just to irritate me I imagine. He succeeds. When I finally see him for a second I stun, judge, repentance, divinestorm and hes within execute range and he sprints and runs, instant hammer and its over. I love instant hammer.
Expect nerfs incoming. Blizz will listen to months and months of tears about other classes being OP but pallies they'll nerf in a heartbeat.
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2 edits | Oh yeah, cuz blizz hates paladins, and only ever nerfs paladins.
Give me a friggin' break. Every class has been OP at one point or another and every single god damn class has had buffs and nerfs.
Guess what? it's called balance.
Deal with it and quit crying about it.
This isn't directed at one person, but all you damn whiners in general. | |
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| Well first of all, rogues are outclassed vs plate wearers.
Pve gear isn't great in pvp situations without a healer.
I've played a pvp warrior for a long time and I assure you, it feels the same hitting someone wearing tier6 as it does hitting some fool in greens.
I'm sure this paladin had pvp gear on too.
So what do you expect?
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| This is ridiculous, you are PVE specced, PVE geared, but because you have glaives you think you should be able to beat everyone??? For all we know that pally who raped you was in full S4, resillience through the roof and was always ret so knows how to play his class.
Wanna kill ret pallies, go find someone who was holy from day one, never tried ret and pick on them, most of those wouldn't know what to do with ret. | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by Dodge :Wanna kill ret pallies, go find someone who was holy from day one, never tried ret and pick on them, most of those wouldn't know what to do with ret. hey..I resemble that remark!  | |
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Integrator
Rock of the Marne
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| Frankly, after what Blizzard did to the Droods right after BC (completely unjustified as well but did Blizzard listen?) was launched I think a retadin should be "to the ground, baby".
Reagardless of what anyone says or uses to justify their OP'ness, no class (not just pally) should be able to bubble (read that as immunity), have quality heals, and spit out the damage that is currently being done. The worry that everyone should have is the Beta forums are still complaining about ret's damage.I guess the retadin's missed the actually for a change good post on how a 2v2 retadin team went from 1720's to 2200 in no time. I guess they all of the sudden got uber-skilled in pally play? LEWL, as if.
Make no doubt, I know alot of people who are not happy with Dismantle. That is basically a IWIN button on melee. | |
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Lledwyn
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* 0 resilience and you want to whine about how someone beat you in pvp? Uh...alright. Go lrn2play or go solo Karazhan with your dual warglaives and the rest of your T6 junk that won't matter in 3 weeks and trade in some tokens for some crap pvp gear. Or, even better, go buy the blue shit off the reputation vendors. If you're in T6 and have glaives, I'm sure you have all the rep out there to buy some pvp gear, right?
As far as the ret nerfs, when 3.0.3 pops, you won't be seeing any more ret paladins out there. With a 37% crit damage reduction which will give them nothing for burst, they'll switch back to their other builds or their other OP classes.
Frankly, I wish I was on the same battlegroup as you so I could get my rogue and wtfpwn your sorry ass. 0 Reslience...mmmm....if you want to do some real whining, I'll give you a reason to with my mutilate rogue. | |
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Keller, TX | Re: nerf ret paladins *again* LOL. A anonymous angry poster out of the woodwork.
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by Integrator :LOL. A anonymous angry poster out of the woodwork. Please go "PWN" elsewhere. Out of the woodwork? I've been posting on here for the past week, since I found the site. Unfortunately, my work firewall won't let me see the page with the link to create an account on here because they're security nazis.
And I'm far from angry. I find it hilarious that a rogue in T6 and with warglaives has something to whine about. Maybe he's a relative of Kael. | |
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| said by Lledwyn :
As far as the ret nerfs, when 3.0.3 pops, you won't be seeing any more ret paladins out there. With a 37% crit damage reduction which will give them nothing for burst, they'll switch back to their other builds or their other OP classes.
You're an annoying whiner.
And for the second time, I'm going to ask you where the 37% crit damage reduction is coming from. | |
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@twinfallstitle.com | Re: nerf ret paladins *again* Go read the 3.0.3 patch notes. They're up at worldofraids and on the World of Warcraft site.
And I'm truly sorry that you think that I'm an annoying whiner. Your opinion of me matters. | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* I don't see anything in the notes that says "37% crit damage reduction" so, please, enlighten us.
The reason why you're an annoying prick happens to be because you post just like someone from the official forums. You're king of all and everyone else should bow before you. | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by drew :I don't see anything in the notes that says "37% crit damage reduction" so, please, enlighten us. The reason why you're an annoying prick happens to be because you post just like someone from the official forums. You're king of all and everyone else should bow before you. Really. You're going to hurt my feelings.
I'll post up the relevant links once I can get to a computer that will allow me to get to it. | |
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Integrator
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| The WOW General forums are the worst thing since sliced bread. The dregs of humanity post there.
But on to a different subject. A retadin has far too many pro's and so few con's as to be laughable.
The only con I see as being ret is a gap closer. Of course, I have been hammered for a 3.5k hammer of wrath. Life is good as a retadin, but hopefully they can go back to being back what they should be, which is balanced.
I will say it again for emphasis.
NO CLASS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO IMMUNE, HAVE QUALITY HEALS, STUN, AND DISH THE DAMAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE.
This goes for all classes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not trying for balance and wants their class to be the king on the battlefield. | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by Integrator :I will say it again for emphasis. NO CLASS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO IMMUNE, HAVE QUALITY HEALS, STUN, AND DISH THE DAMAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE. I guess we better let Blizzard know that they need to take care of the druids... | |
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Integrator
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| said by Lledwyn :said by Integrator :I will say it again for emphasis. NO CLASS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO IMMUNE, HAVE QUALITY HEALS, STUN, AND DISH THE DAMAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE. I guess we better let Blizzard know that they need to take care of the druids... I do believe droods got the shit kicked out of them a month or so into BC. Not to mention they have no Bubble button and CONTINUE TO ATTACK or stun (unless feral). Only a hope a drood has is to kite you, and good luck with being effective at that cause oooops yeah, the drood just got stunned and rets have stupid burst damage. You still fail to admit that retadin's are in general very overpowered in their current form. | |
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Archivis
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* Holy Pally + Moonkin vs. Me + wife (Ret pally/feral druid).
We go to own the moonkin, my wife gets repentenced, trinkets out, gets faghamered. The moonkin and I are going at it. I bubble to keep myself safe, the druid starts healing. I hammer, he trinkets, pally/moonkin get healed to full. I top myself off, go back to work on the moonkin. Wife is also on the pally to keep him stunned/tied up. Paladin bubbles, bop's moonkin.
While moonkin gets BoP'd and proceeds to finish me off with starfall, starfire, treants, whatever else he has.
Lost a majority of time against moonkins. I wasn't upset,
but figured it part of the rock, paper, scissor setup. For the evening, we were pleased with our record, something like 13-5.
May pick it up tonight. Ret paladins aren't OP anymore. The teams that have adapted are able to pick me off. The other teams just try to out faceroll us and I think that's what a bulk of the complainers are about.
I could probably show a majority of the classes how to counter a ret paladin. Hunters, Mages, Rogues, Moonkins, healer priests, should have minimal difficulty.
Warriors have a hard time as well as shamans.
Rock paper scissors, kids. You're just now seeing ret getting a chance to play. The rest of you whiners will need to l2p. | |
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| the only people claiming ret isnt OP are paladins.
Which is understandable, no one wants to get hit with the nerfbat.
Biggest problem with them IMO, is almost everything being holy damage. command, divine storm(being changed) and hammer all being holy damage, takes what class they are beating on out of the picture, and that is retarded. it makes no sense to hit a clothie as hard as a feral druid with 35k armor.
good ret paladins are impossible to kill atm, bad ones will still burst you to hell and back, pray you are/have a healer and trinket the right thing at the right time, they can basically faceroll and kill you, the class takes 0 skill to kill people with. | |
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| I feel the orginal poster’s pain. I too am a rogue, with ~350 res., ~11k health and was beat down by a paly (1 on 1) in reputation gear and a level 68 blue mace. The fight started as she caught me with a HoJ. Like any good rogue I waited until the initial stun was over so that I could trinket out of repentance. By the time I was able to trinket I had less than 2k health, she trinketed my blind and the fight was over. Granted, I made a mistake by not being sneaky enough and letting her start the fight, but jeez.
Now, I’m fine with being stunlocked by a class that can 100-0 me in 10-12 seconds or so (Cheapshot > Kidney Shot > Blind > Stealth > Cheapshot = dead) with an equally geared opponent but it seems ridiculous to 100-0 me in 6 seconds by a player in rep blues and a weapon easily found on the AH. Skill is not a factor. Gear is not a factor. The factor is that Pallies are too far buffed right now.
I hear the argument made by blizzard blue posts and other players that a pally is fine at 80 but appears overdone at 70. Is it possible that the damage done by pallies (and other classes for that matter) will not scale appropriately with spell ranks and gear itemization at 80? I remember doing far, far, far less damage at 60 than I do at 70 so I don’t understand the argument. Could someone explain please?
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by DarkspiteAzgalor :
Like any BAD rogue I waited until the initial stun was over so that I could trinket out of repentance. By the time I was able to trinket I had less than 2k health, she trinketed my blind and the fight was over. Granted, I made a mistake by not being sneaky enough and letting her start the fight, but jeez.
Thanks,
~Darkspite - Azaglor
Fixed.
Don't trinket out of repentance. Repentance breaks the moment you take any type of damage at all. You trinket out of HoJ, not the other way around. | |
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DownLow
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| Let's see about this match up - I would call it a mirror/counter Darkspite (although maybe not) but people refuse to understand that not every class can beat every class..its a fact of the game:
1) Ret pally is in plate - you're leather = pally win
2) Ret pally has melee and spell - you have melee = pally win
3) Ret pally has heal - you have nothing = pally win
4) Ret pally has bubble - you have CloS (cloak of skill  ) = tie?
Face it, if you're a rogue, you are going to have to outplay a pally to win. It doesn't mean that Ret's are OP. Ask rets how much they like fighting Frost/arcane mages (or even ask a warrior about that).
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| I'll say it again....
...ahh the sweet sweet tears. Been playing Pally since release. Have three (all three specs)
Only have some decent pvp gear on the holy that I arenaed with but I always dreaded running up against some classes, especially rogues. Not so much because theyd just wipe me out, theyd get the jump. get a bunch of stacks of wound poison/sometimes mindnumbing as well and start pupping out damage. Until they got 5 combos on me it was fairly small damage I'll grant you but then it would be one large. And forget healing unbubbled. If they were halfway decent could lock you down, blind, kidney, gouge, kickm improved kick if you were unlucky. and just whittle you down unless you blew a stun for a heal and their trinket was on cd or you bubbled. Then if things were going bad for them and you didnt happen to have the right judge on them or cloak of skill was up they could just cloak, vanish and start the whole process again. They were like Vermin, hard to get rid of.
Now I go specifically hunting for them in bgs on my pallies (all of em even the pve geared tankadin)
I better soak up these tears while I can as an above poster said the party's less party like come 3.0.3 | |
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1 edit | said by SSX4life :Fu*king ridiculous .... I'm stunned from 100 to 0 and I even got the jump on the bastard. Full T6 with glaves (pve spec)... popped everything I got hammered / stunned a 2nd time / then dead. I'm sorry but last time I checked rogues were the stun class, and yes I know they are not balanced properly @ 70 but this is just crazy stupid. I get the jump on him and he is still at over 50% health. /sigh HAHA
this is classic....
only if i can cyclone you....and get you before you pop.....BAM 8K STARFIRE...STUN....MOONFIRE....PEW? | |
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| The biggest problem is that everyone still seems to think that PvP at 70 matters. Every class out there right now is OP in one way or another. And if you think that it's only ret paladins, you need to look around.
The patch makes everything unbalanced and if you don't think your class is unbalanced in one spec or another, then you're suffering from denial.
People are running around with L80 talent abilities right now. Blizzard changed the entire way that gear is itemized and spell damage/healing is handled. The spell coefficients have all changed. Wow pre 3.0 is NOT the game it was.
And, I'll say it again. What's happening at L70 right now is indicitive of absolutely nothing of what the game will be like at 80. | |
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DarkspiteAzgalor
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| Thanks for the correction Lledwyn. I had them mixed up. In my scrub arena experience (and in bgs too) I haven't faced many ret pallies until a week ago. What's to stop them for repentancing me after I trinket and healing to full? (please don't read sarcasm) | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by DarkspiteAzgalor :
Thanks for the correction Lledwyn. I had them mixed up. In my scrub arena experience (and in bgs too) I haven't faced many ret pallies until a week ago. What's to stop them for repentancing me after I trinket and healing to full? (please don't read sarcasm)
Repentance has a cooldown on it. Right now, fights don't last long enough for that to even be considered a factor. I don't honestly think it was pre-3.0 either and I don't think it will after WotLK either.
Just let them run up and hit you once and then you're out of the repentance. If they HoJ you afterwards, that's when you trinket and move.
As a rogue, I prefer to sneak up on them, open with a CS and then go into my mutilate rotation. If they trinket out of the CS, it's a quick KS and back to work. If they bubble, I Cloak of Skill, Vanish and then move far enough away that they look like idiots as they run around in circles consecrating and trying to find me.
Once the bubble wears off, they have absolutely nothing left to stop me from raping them. After CS/KS, dismantle. No weapon = dead ret paladin. They're plate, so I always throw up a Rupture on them. If they're trying to heal themselves, it's easy to kick to disrupt or even move away and silence them for 3s. I'm trusting that you've got your pvp gloves with the silence effect on them.
People have a tough time with Ret right now because everyone is god-mode. So, they think that the old pvp rules don't apply, but they do. A good ret paladin is fearsome. A bad one is a free HK. I'll be honest, I have far, far more trouble with prot warriors right now than ret paladins. Their damage mitigation is awesome and their stuns are incredible because you can reapply them so quickly.
Ret paladin killing is the same as it was for most classes before. Keep your distance, kite them around and for the love of god, stay away from them when they've got a bubble and wings out. Or, if you're a mage, laugh at them and spellsteal the wings and arcane barrage them for 6k and giggle when they die. | |
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| IN ORDER TO BEAT RET PALADIN U MUST KITE THEM AND AVOID HAMMER NOT JUST ATTEMPT TO TANK THEM
EVASION IS USELESS
DISARM IS OKAY
CLOAK IS BEST
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by shray :IN ORDER TO BEAT RET PALADIN U MUST KITE THEM AND AVOID HAMMER NOT JUST ATTEMPT TO TANK THEM EVASION IS USELESS DISARM IS OKAY CLOAK IS BEST o and speccing pvp not a bad idea Stun, hit hit, stun hit hit. If the pally trinkets out of it, blind him, run out of combat, stealth up, rinse repeat.
When he goes to bubble, vanish, wait for bubble to break, rinse repeat.
The rogues that beat me are the ones who play their class the best. I've facerolled well-geared rogues while turning around and getting owned by S2/honor geared rogues who play better. | |
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Integrator
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Keller, TX | Re: nerf ret paladins *again* Faceroll = Reatadin | |
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DownLow
Nope...I Got Nothing
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by Integrator :Faceroll = Reatadin No...faceroll = lock (or it used to be) | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by DownLow :said by Integrator :Faceroll = Reatadin No...faceroll = lock (or it used to be) God how true that USED to be. It has fallen to a new class and spec until I can see it with my own eyes. | |
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Archivis
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* Affliction is very brutal in PVP. May not be so great against a paladin who bubbles, but if you can survive that, you're in good shape... maybe do some pillar humping until that happens. Save the trinket for faghammer.
After that bubble wears off, death coil, siphon life, whatever the hell else you can toss up, a haunt even, the drain life. It's game over from that point. | |
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Archivis
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by DarkspiteAzgalor :Thanks for the tips Archivis. Shray, despite the caps you have some good points as well. If a pally gets me out of stealth in a bg since I've usually just killed something else, I'll just take the HoJ stun up the rear and wait for rez Which is probably what any other class thinks when they a rogue surprises them I guess I understand now why other classes hate us so much. Against a paladin, you always use the trinket on the hammer. They've got one other stun, repentence, which is like your blind. Very few paladins these days seem to treat that like rogues treat blind, as a method to tie up a partner. They like to use it as a distance closer, because they don't have the kind of poisons to keep a person slowed down.
I've not seen how disarm works against a ret paladin, if that's possible at all, but it would wreck us if it did.
Evasion isn't that great either... but maybe cloak + evasion would nullify all physical and spell damage. Not sure about that myself.
I've been using Seal of Command in PVP lately. I think I may switch to Seal of Corruption so the damage ticks can keep going. On top of that, I've got the exalted BT trinket that puts an additional DoT on. It may screw rogues up who decide to vanish or re-stealth or whatever without using cloak first (I don't think many rogues think to cloak against a paladin). | |
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| Re: nerf ret paladins *again* said by Archivis :said by DarkspiteAzgalor :Thanks for the tips Archivis. Shray, despite the caps you have some good points as well. If a pally gets me out of stealth in a bg since I've usually just killed something else, I'll just take the HoJ stun up the rear and wait for rez Which is probably what any other class thinks when they a rogue surprises them I guess I understand now why other classes hate us so much. Against a paladin, you always use the trinket on the hammer. They've got one other stun, repentence, which is like your blind. Very few paladins these days seem to treat that like rogues treat blind, as a method to tie up a partner. They like to use it as a distance closer, because they don't have the kind of poisons to keep a person slowed down. I've not seen how disarm works against a ret paladin, if that's possible at all, but it would wreck us if it did. Evasion isn't that great either... but maybe cloak + evasion would nullify all physical and spell damage. Not sure about that myself. I've been using Seal of Command in PVP lately. I think I may switch to Seal of Corruption so the damage ticks can keep going. On top of that, I've got the exalted BT trinket that puts an additional DoT on. It may screw rogues up who decide to vanish or re-stealth or whatever without using cloak first (I don't think many rogues think to cloak against a paladin). Seal of command is a guaranteed crit, and ignores all armor, would be a mistake to use anything but in pvp.
yes disarm works pretty well, just have to make sure you use it from behind or stun 1st before you use it(shockwave ftw!) | |
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| Dismantling (disarm) usually gets met with some sort of CC to wait out the effect (HoJ, Rep). Admittedly, I haven't been arenaing since the patch - I figured everything would be skewed. But it would be nice to use dismantle while the Pally's CCs are on cooldown. | |
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| As a pvp resto druid turned boomkin after the patch (in preparation for having to level more than anything), me and my destro lock partner have been trying to do arenas for the past 2 weeks since the patch. Lag is still ridiculously horrible on my server...we don't even try to CC currently because the 1.2 second casts become 4-5 second casts and are always interrupted. When the lag goes down, we're going to have a lot more fun.
We've fought plenty of double ret and ret/dps teams. Even without CC, we're learning how to effectively handle them, and we're winning about 50% of our matches against them. Once the lag goes down and we can start cyclone/fear rotations, we're expecting that we'll destroy ret teams. This is at around the 1800s.
As a resto druid who had to deal with people whining constantly about our "OPness," I say hats off to the ret pallies, and if they aren't nerfed at all, I wouldn't mind. I don't think they're overpowered, I just think people haven't figured out how to fight them yet (loltrinketing repentance). Yep, all of you people saying "no one except ret pallies are saying they're not OP" will have to stop using that one now. | |
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