ezcallguy
join:2008-11-28
New York, NY | reply to espaeth
Re: Who provides tollfree termination w/ accurate CID?
grnvoip.com offers calling credit of $.001 for each minute of toll free traffic that you send. details here:
»www.grnvoip.com/toll_free.html |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to PX Eliezer
I've been really surprised at how much of a pain it is to find consistent tollfree termination.
I had to pull VT White out of the mix because of the nasty Level(3) issues where calls would be signaled as answered (so no other trunks would be attempted) but the RTP audio would just spew a busy signal. There's a thread about it in the VT forum: »Toll-Free calls not going through I suspect this issue is why ViaTalk might be toying around with other tollfree providers.
FlowRoute consistently sent in CID, but I took them out of service after I had a few conference calls get randomly disconnected.
So now I'm down to:
1) tf.callwithus.com -- send a few SIP packets to Sergey's server then the RTP sessions hand off to O1 Telecom. ANI/CID has been consistent, and call quality has been great. I know there has been concern about abuse of free things, and I hope that doesn't happen because this is a great option right now.
2) tollfreegateway.com -- seemed to work great every test call I made. I've been checking over the last few days and ANI/CID is consistently set. Still have a little bit of uncertainty about the company so they remain my backup option
3) VoicePulse -- hit or miss chance whether accurate ANI/CID will be sent in. As a 3rd string option, if it comes to this I suspect I'll just be happy that the call terminates. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
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| reply to espaeth
This issue of ANI and toll-free termination seems to be an issue for various VoIP providers, probably because there is so much overlap in their downstream carriers.
Here's a similar problem reported in the VT forum:
»When calling an 800#, caller ID sent is 916-209-4509 |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to sokhapkin
said by sokhapkin  :You can send toll free calls to tf.callwithus.com. Don't register with the server, just send calls to it. Let me know if something is not OK. Works great -- added it into my dialplan for tollfree.
Thanks! |
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sokhapkin
Premium
join:2003-05-08
Somerset, NJ | reply to druber
SMOP is very simple to somebody, but requires hiring of a programmer to others...
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druber
join:2000-04-11
Marlborough, MA | reply to nitzan
It's a SMOP (Simple Matter Of Programming). |
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
| reply to RockyBB
Already thought of that, actually. 
The only problem is that despite claiming to support it- the software we're using unfortunately does not support negative billing (credit) without some code manipulation. I am working on figuring out what needs to be changed to support it though. It shouldn't be that hard, right? (famous last words!)
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Nitzan Kon, CEO
Future Nine Corporation |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO
| reply to nitzan
said by nitzan :It's actually more profitable for us (Future Nine) to terminate a toll-free minute than it is to terminate a domestic pay-as-you-go minute. Then why not offer some type of usage credit (against outbound call traffic) in return for toll-free traffic from registered customers? Like 2 free outbound minutes for every 10 toll-free minutes. You could be the only carrier to pay customers to use your service! even mazilo would be stunned. |
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27 | reply to soitgoes2
Definitely. It's not a lot of money (a fraction of a cent per minute) but it's better than nothing.  |
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soitgoes2
Premium
join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| reply to nitzan
said by nitzan : It's actually more profitable for us (Future Nine) to terminate a toll-free minute than it is to terminate a domestic pay-as-you-go minute. Very interesting.
It sounds like getting that going was a good thing for you. |
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
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| reply to RockyBB
said by RockyBB :I'm sure that both VTWhite and FlowRoute will be delighted by your post, and are eagerly awaiting a flood of new no-revenue accounts.  They probably get paid for those minutes by the CLECs they use to terminate them. It's actually more profitable for us (Future Nine) to terminate a toll-free minute than it is to terminate a domestic pay-as-you-go minute.
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Nitzan Kon, CEO
Future Nine Corporation |
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sokhapkin
Premium
join:2003-05-08
Somerset, NJ
| reply to gsar
CID set on asterisk will be passed as is. CID set in CWU account will not be honored, the gateway forwards calls to TF provider on low level. You don't even need to have an account with CWU to use tf.callwithus.com.
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gsar
join:2008-09-10
Canada
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| reply to sokhapkin
Will this honor the CID set on the ATA/Asterisk? It would be simpler for me if regular calls after registration (e.g. via sip.callwithus.com) to tollfree numbers routes through this gateway with the CID I have set on my callwithus account. I can then choose to use a premium route using the route selection prefix if I ever need that. |
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sokhapkin
Premium
join:2003-05-08
Somerset, NJ | reply to espaeth
You can send toll free calls to tf.callwithus.com. Don't register with the server, just send calls to it. Let me know if something is not OK.
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»www.callwithus.com |
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soitgoes2
Premium
join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| reply to RockyBB
said by RockyBB :I'm sure that both VTWhite and FlowRoute will be delighted by your post, and are eagerly awaiting a flood of new no-revenue accounts. a) Maybe they get paid for termination to toll-free numbers.
b) Maybe it will bring additional revenue for paid services. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO | reply to espaeth
I'm sure that both VTWhite and FlowRoute will be delighted by your post, and are eagerly awaiting a flood of new no-revenue accounts. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to RockyBB
said by RockyBB :Geeze, what do you want for free? Tough crowd. BTW, their website (on the "contact" link) shows some phone numbers. Ironically enough it's the providers that are charging nothing for tollfree termination that seem to be doing a better job than those billing for it.
I actually ended up signing up with both VTWhite and FlowRoute. Both handoff the RTP streams directly to carrier gateways, both send in the correct CID on tollfree calls, and both offer no-charge tollfree termination. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO
| reply to espaeth
said by espaeth :Thanks for that -- made a few test calls through the service and everything seemed to work flawlessly. The one worry I have with using this service is that there is very little information available about the company doing the termination. It would be nice if there was a ToS, maybe a mailing address, or really any method of contact besides email and AIM. Geeze, what do you want for free? Tough crowd. BTW, their website (on the "contact" link) shows some phone numbers. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to TollFreeGateway
said by TollFreeGateway :
TollFree Gateway.com runs an open SIP Toll Free termination gateway and actually requires that you send a valid caller id Thanks for that -- made a few test calls through the service and everything seemed to work flawlessly. The one worry I have with using this service is that there is very little information available about the company doing the termination. It would be nice if there was a ToS, maybe a mailing address, or really any method of contact besides email and AIM. |
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CallC
@callcentric.com
| reply to espaeth
said by espaeth : The problem is, on all outbound toll-free calls the CID is reported as 319-228-9999. (VAN HORNE COOPERATIVE TELEPHONE CO, Cedar Rapids, IA) Please open a ticket with Callcentric support for them to be able to investigate. Please provide all details. What you're describing must NOT happen with Callcentric toll free termination (this is the only reason to use [highly expensive] tier-1 carriers to deliver toll free calls; otherwise - there are plenty of free (or even "pay back") terminators for toll free calls). |
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