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Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20
/me bows before the almighty and literaty g*d kingb71 |
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Typo boss
@videotron.ca | *literary*
Typo |
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jfmezei
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There was no question that the CRTC would delay revealing its decision when t became obvious an alection was to be called and await for the new government to get established.
I have to wonder if the CRTC waited for parliament to reconvene. Throne speech today. CRTC gets to publish its decision the next day.
I would not be susprised if Harper had some big bombshell tomorrow which would crystalise the media's attention around that and thus ignore the CRTC decision.
Note that Tony Clement was in Detroit today, busy with the demise of the car industry. Perhaps he'll announce some major car bailout tomorrow. |
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TOPDAWG
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3 edits | Man get real your normal person on the street could give two damns about this stuff. The CRTC has no reason to delay anything cause of how someone may react.
Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some big issue people in Canada care about. I mean what is going to happen if they rule on bells side? I don't think the CRTC going to be scared cause people will be insulting them on the net.
Mean reason I want bell to lose is so I can laugh at all the people who been saying crazy crap like the CRTC is being paid off it's all Harper's doing and other such goofy crap. |
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Sempronius
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| said by TOPDAWG  : What is going to happen if they rule on bells side? In that case, collectively, we launch a class action law suit against Bell.
said by TOPDAWG :Main reason I want bell to lose is so I can laugh at all the people who been saying crazy crap like the CRTC is being paid off it's all Harper's doing and other such goofy crap. It's this kind of attitude that shows how much you do not know of what has been happening over the past 8 months. |
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R0CKY
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said by TOPDAWG :Man get real your normal person on the street could give two damns about this stuff. The CRTC has no reason to delay anything cause of how someone may react. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some big issue people in Canada care about. I mean what is going to happen if they rule on bells side? I don't think the CRTC going to be scared cause people will be insulting them on the net. Thinking you should brace yourself for a controlled internet soon then.... Bell/Rogers has everything to gain by having people remain ignorant of what is happening.
If you thinking this is a small issue... all I can tell you is wait and see!
Rocky
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Guspaz
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| What he means isn't that the issue isn't big, only that it doesn't matter to the majority of Canadians. So what he's saying is that in the public conscience, the issue is small. They either don't know about it (or what net neutrality is), or don't think it's important compared to other concerns like healthcare or the economy.
Some people know about it, but just don't realize how much it will impact things. |
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R0CKY
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| said by Guspaz :What he means isn't that the issue isn't big, only that it doesn't matter to the majority of Canadians. So what he's saying is that in the public conscience, the issue is small. They either don't know about it (or what net neutrality is), or don't think it's important compared to other concerns like healthcare or the economy. Some people know about it, but just don't realize how much it will impact things. Yup... I know that... Which is why I said, wait and see. This issue will blow up shortly when people start seeing service issues going to facebook/google/youtube/etc, because of Bell/Rogers/etc, or when they can't make a trade for sports/gambling/stocks due to throttling... They'll start to clue in in a hurry!
There's a learning curve that will be required, no doubt, but when it starts watch out!
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Sempronius
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Toronto, ON | What Bell and Rogers is attempting to do is keep their subscriber's within the realms of their domain, hence, being the Gate Keeper. Once inside, the Gate will be securely locked and entrance beyond the Gate denied. |
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Guspaz
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What I fear is that the changes will be so slow and subtle that people won't notice.
You know, like the boiling frog analogy; throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out, throw a frog into cold water and heat it slowly and it dies from the heat because it doesn't notice the slow increase. |
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R0CKY
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| said by Guspaz :What I fear is that the changes will be so slow and subtle that people won't notice. You know, like the boiling frog analogy; throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out, throw a frog into cold water and heat it slowly and it dies from the heat because it doesn't notice the slow increase. True, but there are some around the industry who are going to make sure this front and centre as fast and as long as possible! 
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zaptor99
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| the full article from CBC. 30 mins to go
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···rtc.html
Internet watchers are on the edge of their seats as the CRTC is set to make a landmark ruling Thursday on Bell Canada Inc.'s throttling of speeds.
The regulator will hand down its decision at 9 a.m. ET after twice delaying the ruling. The decision will determine whether Bell Canada has violated the Telecommunications Act by slowing down the internet access it sells to wholesale customers.
Those customers, a group of more than 50 small companies represented by the Canadian Association of Internet Providers, lodged a complaint with the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission about the practice in April.
Bell began throttling its own Sympatico retail customers in October 2007, and extended the practice in March to CAIP members, which rent portions of Bell's network to provide internet service to their own customers. The CRTC rejected CAIP's call for an immediate cease-and-desist order but launched a public investigation into Bell's actions.
The throttling affects Bell and CAIP customers who use peer-to-peer file-sharing software such as BitTorrent. Bell has said the throttling is necessary because a small percentage of subscribers are using such services to clog up its network. CAIP countered by saying Bell has failed to prove there is congestion on its network, and that the company is throttling peer-to-peer applications because they compete with services it offers, such as an online video store.
While BitTorrent has become synonymous with illegal file-sharing, the application is also increasingly being used for legitimate purposes such as the legal distribution of music and video, such as the CBC show Canada's Next Great Prime Minister, as well as educational tools. Peer-to-peer technology is also behind internet calling services such as Skype, which compete with Bell's core phone business.
A ruling against Bell would likely allow CAIP members to sell unthrottled internet services, thus giving them a competitive advantage over the company and others that slow peer-to-peer applications, such as Rogers Communications Inc. and Shaw Communications Inc.
Bigger throttling probe likely
A decision against CAIP may not necessarily close the door on the throttling issue, however. CRTC chairman Konrad von Finckenstein this summer said a decision on the Bell-CAIP case will be limited to whether the company has violated its wholesale agreements with the smaller providers. A more detailed CRTC probe into whether throttling should be allowed in a general sense will likely follow, he said.
CAIP members on Wednesday were hoping for the best but girding for the worst.
"We're bracing for a worst-case scenario, as Bell has a lot to lose if this doesn't go their way," said Rocky Gaudrault, chief executive of TekSavvy, a CAIP member. "I would suspect, win or lose, something should be done, going forward, to consider Bell's conflict of interest in dealing as a carrier and a retail internet provider. There are some pretty major issues that need attention going forward, so regardless of the upcoming ruling, this might set things in motion to finally force change."
A Bell spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.
The throttling issue has angered net neutrality advocates, who maintain the internet should be kept free from discriminatory practices by service providers. The CRTC's probe drew submissions from more than 1,000 individuals, as well as large technology companies such as Skype and Google Inc., which accused Bell of acting as an internet "gatekeeper."
About 300 protestors held a rally on Parliament Hill in May to urge government legislation to protect net neutrality principles. Jim Prentice, who was industry minister at the time, said the government was opposed to regulating the internet.
Regulators in the United States have taken decisive action against throttling by service providers. The Federal Communications Commission in August ordered Comcast Corp., the country's largest cable company, to cease its throttling of peer-to-peer applications.
"This practice is not 'minimally intrusive' but invasive and outright discriminatory," the FCC said in its ruling. "Consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice."
In reaction, Comcast said it would introduce a new application-neutral system by the end of the year that will throttle only heavy users.
The United States is also poised to clamp down further on interference by internet service providers under president-elect Barack Obama, a supporter of net neutrality. Obama last week appointed two longtime net neutrality advocates, University of Michigan law professor Susan Crawford and former FCC staffer Kevin Werbach, to conduct a review of the regulator.
"The momentum in the U.S. is very, very strong. The FCC has been showing a strong inclination to move in this direction even without a change in administration," said University of Ottawa internet law professor Michael Geist. "Clearly we're a laggard on this issue. It's nothing new on telecom issues and it's going to become increasingly evident." |
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matradley
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said by R0CKY :said by Guspaz :What I fear is that the changes will be so slow and subtle that people won't notice. You know, like the boiling frog analogy; throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out, throw a frog into cold water and heat it slowly and it dies from the heat because it doesn't notice the slow increase. True, but there are some around the industry who are going to make sure this front and centre as fast and as long as possible! They might even make it their new platform! I can see it now, "Bell, now fastER" than last week. XD |
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