ReDSpideR
join:2002-08-16
Woodbridge, ON
|  Need Help Picking ISP
Hey all, I'm one of the many unsatisfied Bell Sympatico users.
I'm looking to switch to an unthrottled ISP.
I dont know wich one to choose. anyone have any suggestions?
I live in Vaughan, Ontario. (10min north of Toronto)
-DSL preferably
-5mb down minimum
-No Cap
-Good Track Record |
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CanerisErik
Caneris
Premium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
| said by ReDSpideR  :-No Cap I guess that excludes us, though we have a pretty generous "cap".
Check out www.canadianisp.ca for a list of ISPs in Vaughan which match your criteria.
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Erik - Caneris - Internet solutions and more. |
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vintagewino
join:2003-07-22
Grimsby, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·magicjack.com
·Look Communications
2 edits | reply to ReDSpideR
said by ReDSpideR :Hey all, I'm one of the many unsatisfied Bell Sympatico users. I'm looking to switch to an unthrottled ISP. I dont know wich one to choose. anyone have any suggestions? ... -DSL preferably -5mb down minimum -No Cap -Good Track Record
Hmmm ----
The last mile is conveniently throttled by Bell for everyone. If you have Bell lines, that rules out ALL DSL ISPs immediately.
Nobody can guarantee a 5md d/l minimum. Even Bell says "up to ...", NOT a MINIMUM of ...
TSI offers an unlimited service.
Most cable companies have somewhere around a 60GB cap.
Putting it all together, I'm afraid NOBODY can meet your qualifications. I think you are S-O-O-L.
Now since you have disqualified all ISP's, what are you willing to compromise on to allow someone to qualify? |
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hmmmmmmmm
@videotron.ca | reply to ReDSpideR
»Re: ISP's that don't throttle and have their own equipment. LIST
See if there is anything on that list in your area, then ask for more detail on them here. |
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ReDSpideR
join:2002-08-16
Woodbridge, ON
| reply to ReDSpideR
Sorry, maybe i was a tad unclear, i was in a hurry.
by 5mb down minimum i meant to say, in the isp's advertisement. at least a 5mb down.
also, out of that isp list in that post a few interest me:
mnsi, Videotron and Primus.
but I do have bell homephone lines.. so i guess that renders all those options above ruled out.
I guess cable is my only choice? one with a conciderate amount of a cap (or none if thats possible :P)
Is tecsavvy any good? or would that fall into the throttled isp because i use bell land lines?
Thanks for everyones response! |
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anon poster
@videotron.ca
| said by ReDSpideR :also, out of that isp list in that post a few interest me: 1. mnsi, Videotron and Primus. 2. but I do have bell homephone lines.. so i guess that renders all those options above ruled out. 3. I guess cable is my only choice? one with a conciderate amount of a cap (or none if thats possible :P) 4. Is tecsavvy any good? or would that fall into the throttled isp because i use bell land lines? 1. Videotron is in Toronto, but they have nothing for residential, so this one is off your list.
Primus is a great choice! Their pricing on tv, phone and internet bundles are a very nice cost savings also. But they are having very big latency (ping) problems. Many here complained about it. So you should avoid Primus till they find and fix the problems they have. Not a wise move, unless you are looking at the bundle savings and just browse the web.
Mnsi would probably be my move if they have their own equipment in your area. No complaints here about them.
2. Doesn't matter who you have for phone. That can always be changed and the price can be significantly less than what you are currently paying now to Bell.
3. Don't know. Call the cable companies in your area and ask what the limits are for the different packages. Rogers throttles of course.
4. Yeah teksavvy is good. Yes they are throttled because they use Bell's equipment (its nothing to do with using Bell phone or Bell lines). However, Teksavvy has a throttle work-around to by-pass the throttle that works for now... |
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vintagewino
join:2003-07-22
Grimsby, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·magicjack.com
·Look Communications
1 edit | reply to ReDSpideR
said by ReDSpideR :Sorry, maybe i was a tad unclear, i was in a hurry. by 5mb down minimum i meant to say, in the isp's advertisement. at least a 5mb down. also, out of that isp list in that post a few interest me: mnsi, Videotron and Primus. but I do have bell homephone lines.. so i guess that renders all those options above ruled out. I guess cable is my only choice? one with a conciderate amount of a cap (or none if thats possible :P) Is tecsavvy any good? or would that fall into the throttled isp because i use bell land lines? Thanks for everyones response!
OK, you've opened the door.
Most of the indie DSL ISP's do NOT throttle. Bell does that to them automatically without written consent from the indies if the indie is using Bell for the 'last mile'. Throttling (so far) occurs from 1800 hrs through 0200 hrs, or thereabouts.
Been with Teksavvy for a year. No complaints. I'm on the premium package ($30, 200GB). They also have an unlimited package ($40) plus applicable tax(es).
They're more than willing to get you the max speed your phone line can give. My old ISP was damned if they would try to help me get a faster profile. Now 50% faster (they tried for more, but the lines can't do it).
Don't know who's your cable supplier, but most of them cap at 60GB total BW.
My only other alternative is Cogeco. 60GB cap, and $53/month for a 10000/640 max capability. Too costly for my use.
Good luck in your decision. |
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emoci
join:2007-05-29
York, ON
| reply to ReDSpideR
Although Bell is throttling all DSL ISPs that do not have their own equipment, both Teksavvy and Velcom can be used with MLPPP to avoid the throttling.
(if you didn't want to switch just to try how it works, grab a $10 login from Velcom for a month and swap it for your Bell login info to give MLPPP a try)
Under normal conditions MLPPP would be used to bond two lines, but applied to a single line it can avoid the throttling. You'll need a WRT54GL router and firmware from fixppp.org (any PPPOE DSL modem, including the one you currently have now from Bell provided they let you keep it, will do)
I would reccomend Teksavvy's Premium service if you do not do more than 200GB regularly, and may occasionally do 300GB (it's what I've got).
If you go beyond that, Unlimited from Velcom is the next best pricing. |
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again
@cia.com | Is some bad ISP sell logins again? I thought it was banned... watch out. |
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meshif
Premium
join:2007-10-08
Windsor, ON
| reply to ReDSpideR
Let's not forget that with TekSavvy you're able to order 2 or more DSL lined and therefore increase your bandwidth and cap exponentially per line. Also, MLPPP confuses the Ellacoya boxes and so the connection isn't throttled. 1-1.2MB/s on Linux ISOs here with 2x6mbps MLPPP lines. |
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damir
SFRJ
Premium
join:2003-05-24 | reply to ReDSpideR
www.velcom.ca
MLPP supported
Unlimited
No cogent
Very stable |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| "No cogent" is a problem, not a positive thing. It means that you're going to get crappy routes to hosts on Cogent's network.
For example, I'm with TekSavvy on Premium, and my route to Cogent-hosted networks (such as Concordia and Risq) would be utter garbage if it weren't for TekSavvy's Cogent link. I know, because it didn't used to route through Cogent properly.
So, my conclusion here, any decently sized ISP should definitely have Cogent in their BGP mix. And advertising as "cogent free" or "no cogent" is irresponsible. |
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damir
SFRJ
Premium
join:2003-05-24 | LOL .. sure ... okay .. whatever  i still prefer no Cogent. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by damir :LOL .. sure ... okay .. whatever i still prefer no Cogent. Not sure about the irresponsible comment, but Cogent does play a pretty heavy role in the internet these days, so to have a direct link to them isn't a bad idea mostly due to their on-net traffic (which is quite large). |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | I'm not saying that not HAVING cogent is irresponsible, I'm saying that ADVERTISING not having cogent as a selling point is irresponsible. |
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damir
SFRJ
Premium
join:2003-05-24 | reply to R0CKY
okie dokie ... |
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gnumantsc
join:2003-07-23 | reply to Guspaz
I would pick having Cogent than crappy customer service with an ISP.
TekSavvy is good and any ISP that supports MLPPP you can get around the throttle.
Obviously if you're using a router you have to have a router that supports MLPPP. |
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diskace
Ebox Senior
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-21
| Cogent is not THAT bad. We all agree that it is not the best transit for reliability but overall they allow ISP to make some money at the end of the month.
We have to stop bashing small ISP who are working hard as hell. It is not like we make tons of money out of it. Yet, it is amazing to see what is offered on the Third party market.
Cogent still have a hard time with their image being one of the biggest transit provider that started offering below 10$/mb for low volume back in time.
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gnumantsc
join:2003-07-23
·ELECTRONICBOX
| You would think there is bigger profit now than there was 10 years ago considering the technology is way cheaper.
Then again everyone has to pay smell err Bell.
Pathetic how we went from being better than the Americans 10 years ago to them laughing at us. |
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