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 [ps3] Sony

I love my PS3's, they are great game consoles. They are reliable, quiet and work well. In most every regard they are wonderful consoles to own. The designers who came up with the PS3 were brilliant and have really made about the best gaming system ever.

At the same time, I'm developing a dislike for Sony marketing. Stripping BC from the PS3 which was already not doing all that well, probably didn't help it much. Add to this confusion with 80 GB versions, some of which are BC some of which are not. Consider the vanishing number of USB ports, the lost SACD support. Then review the current pair of of production systems which seem to be 40 GB PS3's with larger hard drives (80 and 160 GB respectively).

Sony has managed to diminish what a PS3 is over time, while not doing much about the price for over a year. At the rate Sony marketing is moving, I expect in the near future to read of a PS3 with limited PS3 game support.

The 20, 60, 40, 80, 80, 160 GB PS3 naming mess should have been avoided.

Today I read a current discussion on another board. Some people thought all PS3's were BC, some thought none were, some didn't know what some models were. Sony has created a situation where what exactly a PS3 is, and what it can do, require either research or for someone to have followed the PS3 history.

When I look at Xbox 360, I see an inferior hardware design, with great software, and even better marketing. Most of all it seems to have done a great job at providing games to players.

Microsoft, which many consider evil with respect to it's Windows franchise, is loved by many gamers. That is how great Xbox marketing has been, the evil corporate giant Microsoft is loved.

Microsoft saw that the Wii was taking advantage of low production costs, by not including a hard drive. Allowing it to sell for a lower cost. The response? Was the Xbox 360 Arcade for $199.

Xbox now comes in $199, $299, and $399 flavors. They are all Xbox, but you can decide to pay more or less than a Wii. You can decide to pay less than a Wii get a game and be happy.

Sony has decided to do something else. It has not only confused it's brand, but has also kept to a 2007 pricing structure which didn't work from the start.

Worse tonight I read, that Sony plans to cut the price of Playstation 3's in March ... AFTER the Christmas season. It is almost like they wanted to slit their own throats. Why on earth would anyone buy a PS3 for the holiday if the price will be cut a few months later?

I love my PS3's, but I wish Sony would get some marketing guys in who know how to run a campaign. It would have helped for PS3 Home to be either out or in open beta before Christmas. However that would take brilliant marketing.

Sigh ... pardon my rant ... but I think I'm witnessing the slow titanic sinking of the Playstation line due to bad marketing ... it is upsetting. I'm starting to think there won't ever be a PS4.

Link to the article about lower PS3 prices in march is here - »www.gamespot.com/news/blogs/rumo···rch.html
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chadrob30
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I'll keep my reply short and sweet, lol. IMO, the 360 is twice the GAMING rig the PS3 is, but the PS3 kills the 360 as far as a media player goes.
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bignate

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i agree with pandora, hardware-wise it cant even be debated which machine is better but their marketing is severly lacking....which is odd since i seem to remember lots of good marketing for the PS2 and PSX.

Stu Pidaso

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It is a real shame the developers are not taking full advantage of the PS3s capabilities. Numbers and specs wise it is and incredible machine.


Jehu
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I don't think people are as confused or upset as you would make them out to be.
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pandora
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  Here is the thread which caused me to doubt that people generally understood the PS3 - »forums.slickdeals.net/showthread···=1069180

Read it and then tell me the people who posted in it understood the PS3 generally?
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Jehu
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You're guaging the general public based on 5 dudes on an cheap deals forum? seriously?

People who want to play PS3 games are hardly burdoned. Those who are obsessed with bang-for-buck (and probably reselling) I'm sure get confused easily.
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  These are avid shoppers, who regularly look for deals. I was surprised that so many didn't seem to understand the PS3, then thought about it, and the PS3 evolution is a bit confusing.

IMO Sony marketing could have managed things better to both avoid confusion and preserve the value of the brand.

I do not in any way blame the designers of the PS3, obviously their product is a masterpiece. Sony marketing gutting of it over time hasn't helped the brand IMO.
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Jehu
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  has something happened to the value of the brand?

You're avid shoppers there were more concerend about the PS3s ability to play porn.
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Wait.. my PS3 can play porn?


Jehu
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Yes just not PS2 porn
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pandora
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said by Jehu See Profile :

has something happened to the value of the brand?

You're avid shoppers there were more concerend about the PS3s ability to play porn.
I'm not sure, but it's possible discussion of "porn" consoles may belong in another forum

In reading this forum, it appears the Xbox 360 tends to cause more cursing.
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It's funny you say people are confused about the PS3,how it's been gutted and yet offer the brilliance of the $199 360 arcade...how many people go in to a store and see a $199 360 and know it has no hdd and later find out that if they want one it's going to cost an extra $100.

16 million in 2 years isn't so bad considering the 360 sold 22 million with a year head start.

Sony's demise might be a little exaggerated me thinks.

and for the love of god consoles are not called rigs keep that gay shit in your pc forums.
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  I hope you are correct, and that the PS3 does well. However over here - »www.gamespot.com/news/6202106.html Sony seems to be cutting back 16,000 employees worldwide. 8,000 full time, and 8,000 part time.

Over here - »www.gamespot.com/news/6201817.html Microsoft is claiming the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 three to one over the black Friday weekend.
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Stu Pidaso

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I like how 360 hard drive can easily be swapped out with more than just three different sizes and has utiities built in to partion the hard drive so if you want to install another OS you can. Oh, wait......


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PS3 is a great Console, however I wouldn't call its hardware superior.. If you mean Blu-Ray, sure its better then the stock dvd player of the 360.. other then that, most technical reports call them very even. They are both great consoles, they just get to the finish line using different routes.

Enjoy your PS3 =D

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said by seangprice See Profile :

They are both great consoles, they just get to the finish line using different routes.
Hmm ... the Xbox 360 finish line ... what would that look like ...
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said by pandora See Profile :

I hope you are correct, and that the PS3 does well. However over here - »www.gamespot.com/news/6202106.html Sony seems to be cutting back 16,000 employees worldwide. 8,000 full time, and 8,000 part time.

Over here - »www.gamespot.com/news/6201817.html Microsoft is claiming the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 three to one over the black Friday weekend.
Everyone is laying off emoyees right now, that's not a sign of the PS brand suffering.

Of douse the 360 outsold the PS3 and I bet the Wii outsold the 360 ok black Friday, a day known for cheapness?...
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said by Silvanos See Profile :

[Everyone is laying off emoyees right now, that's not a sign of the PS brand suffering.

Of douse the 360 outsold the PS3 and I bet the Wii outsold the 360 ok black Friday, a day known for cheapness?...
Lets hope you are correct and that poor sales coupled with massive layoffs are indicators of superb marketing and a company that is doing great!
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reply to pandora
Sony as a company has been suffuring for a while now but the PS brand has been strong and I believe it's still strong, 16 million in 2 years is not weak. Just because the PS3 isn't "winning" doesn't mean the PS brand isn't strong, yes Sony took a hit on the PS3 but they were making a killing on strong PS2 sales at the same time.

I believe that article you pointed to even said a tv plant was being shut down.
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