man00
join:2003-07-25
74986 | reply to Flippant
Re: when did AT&T start playing around with torrent transfers
I haven't changed anything |
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Flippant
So Much For Subtlety
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join:2000-06-04
Katy, TX | reply to man00
Hate to ask, but have you tweaked your DSL? If you are running an MTU of 1500 you could be causing yourself a good deal of slow down. That this is not being reported widely there is lots of doubt of throttling. |
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BeefJerky9
join:2005-05-28
Houston, TX
1 edit | reply to man00
I'm going to have to chime in and say that my torrents are working great with AT&T as well. In fact, I'm testing an Ubuntu Linix distro download now and am getting a steady 625KB/sec. I'm using a speedstream 4100 modem and a Netgear WGU624 router with a laptop running Vista. |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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Get yourself a copy of Wireshark, and watch the packets. Use the thread I linked; find where the poster described his technique to prove that Comcast was sending forged RST packet. If you can replicate his results, we'd like to see it.
Nobody has ever been able to demonstrate that AT&t is up to no good with torrents; and too many are not having trouble for it to be anything AT&T is deliberately doing on a widespread basis.
Doesn't rule out issues between your modem and aggregation router (which Wireshark would be useful in scoping out).
Or just follow your beliefs, and drop AT&T for another provider.
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man00
join:2003-07-25
74986
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Well I tried something I took my Laptop and router over to Ft Smith AR and used a friend internet connection. After some setup changes to be able for Cox to work I tried one of about 15 torrents. Not some but all downloaded a lot and I mean a lot faster over there. None went back anywhere near the 30-32 that I saw with at&t bad for me Cox isn't here in my town..But that again makes me think AT&T is up to something. Only thing I didn't use of course was the modem but I have setup to put everything on the router anyway. |
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powerspec88
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Harrisonville, MO
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I've had no problems running bit torrent in years. I use a Speedsteam 4100 with PPPoE on the modem with a WRT54G with DD-WRT, with a puplic ip on the WAN.
I normaly only download anime and on most shows i get 400-600kB/s on download.
Here is a PRTG graph »laptop.kcmogaming.net/sensor.htm···=60&id=2 of my speeds, just started to download some more anime and speeds are at ~580kB/s as of right now. I also always upload at 60kB/s.
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utorrent123
@swbell.net | reply to man00
get a better client 
bitcomet sucks bro
and torrent speeds always depend on the seeder's upstream! |
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man00
join:2003-07-25
74986
1 edit | reply to NormanS
I'm using bit comet
I tried changing settings but ended up going back to AUTO |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| reply to man00
uTorrent configuration. |
I have 'at&t Yahoo! HSI Pro' (3008/512), and running a SpeedStream 4100 with PPPoE on the modem, private IP address to the router. D-Link DIR-655 with 192.168.1.64 on the WAN port, and the LAN DHCP address is 192.168.102.1. MAC address reservation of destination computer, port 18769 forwarded through the router. Screen shot shows the client configuration. Fastest download I've seen this week: 279 kBytes/second.
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man00
join:2003-07-25
74986 | reply to man00
Tried another router today LINKSYS Cisco Wireless-G Router WRT54G..Same thing levels off at max speed of 30-32. What about changing ports forwarding or what ever its called |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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said by man00  :I'm not trying to prove to anyone that they or are not..I just ask when did at&t start messing with torrents. July 4, 1776. Yes, I am being facetious. I have no evidence that they ever "messed with torrent". I've been downloading with one, or another BitTorrent client since ... August, 2004, anyway. In four years I've seen really slow downloads (maybe a slow as 1 kB/s), and max downloads. I've seen blocked peer connections (Kerio Personal Firewall 1.1.5 has a severe bug; don't create more than 150, or so rules, or you will encounter it), and I've seen my router fall over for too many peer connections (Netgear FR114P and Netgear FVS114 both seem susceptible). I've yet to bridge my SS4100 modem (I get AT&T' "Walled Garden" for some kind of password "mismatch", though the password works fine when I return the modem to NAT mode).
I have not, ever, seen evidence of AT&T "messing with torrents".
I know for a fact for instance you download a ver of Linux which I have many times its almost always full speed 300k +..Now it will jump to 100k for split second then goes back down to 30-32 speed and stays..
You know for a fact how a torrent runs on your connection; but not on mine. I've seen a consistent 300 kB/s in the last couple of months. I find my download speeds tend to vary with the apparent interest in the shows I am grabbing. Fansubbed anime; not nearly as popular as the latest Hollywood junk the MPAA/RIAA is crying "Piracy!" over. Sometimes I get a real dog of a torrent, if the show is a pretty obscure offering.
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Frohike
Premium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
| reply to man00
And I work for AT&T and I can tell you 100% they are not jacking with torrent downloads.
Like YOU stated above - you put pppoe on your PC and the problem went away. That points to the modem not being able to handle the numerous peer connections when it handles the authentication....
We are trying to help, but it seems your just ignoring us and just want people to be cattle and blindly agree with you. |
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rahlquist
Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA
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said by man00 :I'm not trying to prove to anyone that they or are not..I just ask when did at&t start messing with torrents. I know for a fact for instance you download a ver of Linux which I have many times its almost always full speed 300k +..Now it will jump to 100k for split second then goes back down to 30-32 speed and stays.. Sounds very familiar, take a look at »On and Off internet... and »www.pcsites.com/Clipboard-1a.jpg (which is from »The Endless Dropped Download problems ) and see if those traffic patterns sound like what you are seeing.
Really starting to wonder whats going on.....
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Frodo
join:2006-05-05
Lees Summit, MO
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said by man00 :I'm not trying to prove to anyone that they or are not.. You have a theory. Since none of us can replicate the problem you are having, we have to go on what you're saying is happening. The biggest item undercutting your theory is that, when you put the logon/pass on the PC (which causes a public IP address onto the PC), the problem clears. When you use the modem for IP/password (which causes a private IP to be onto the PC and uses NAT), the problems appears. If you can clear the problem consistently by putting the ID/password on the PC, which means you negotiate the PPPoE logon on the PC, it is extremely unlikely that AT&T is the culprit here.
One other thing here is, have you restricted your upload to about 80% of your maximum upload speed. If your modem doesn't prioritize "ACK" packets, uploading at maximum speeds will slow download speeds considerably.
Other things would be to clean out the modem of dust so that it isn't overheating. |
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man00
join:2003-07-25
74986
| reply to man00
I'm not trying to prove to anyone that they or are not..I just ask when did at&t start messing with torrents. I know for a fact for instance you download a ver of Linux which I have many times its almost always full speed 300k +..Now it will jump to 100k for split second then goes back down to 30-32 speed and stays.. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
1 edit | reply to man00
There is a long thread, in the Comcast forums, about the use of a Sandvine appliance (Sandvine is the name of the manufacturer). The poster who started that thread presented some pretty compelling evidence in support of his theory:
»Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections
I believe the OP included a description of the tests that he ran to support his claim, but I am too lazy to look for the exact details.
OTOH, I have never seen anything that made me want to test his theory against the AT&T network. I've always been able to prove, to my satisfaction, that the problems were on my end, and to get past the issue. I've never felt the need to actually dig out the details, posted in that link, to try and prove that AT&T was up to anything. If you feel that they are, please feel free to read up on the method used to prove that Comcast was throttling by using their Sandvine appliance to send forged RST packets to both ends of a file transfer.
Earlier, today, I had a torrent rolling along at around 270 kB/s to 280 kB/s. (For me, getting a good speed is highly dependent on getting into a good swarm with many peers; I often wind up in a swarm with, maybe, six peers total, and only one seeding. Damned hard to expect high rate of download under those circumstances.)
Only a few complaints against AT&T, where people have suspected them of throttling; but never any conclusive evidence as shown over in the Comcast forum.
This "common user" had to go through two routers to find hardware up to the demands of P2P with a BitTorrent client.
If you really think AT&T is up to something, you need to take the steps to prove it.
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Frodo
join:2006-05-05
Lees Summit, MO
| reply to man00
said by man00 :My point was if nothing changed hardware wise on my end and all the sudden the problem shows up most of the time its out of the hands of the common user. Thats saying all the hardware on my end working as always..I seen some folks saying the same that their ISP is doing some choking on torrents at this time. But if that's true, then "I found if I make a internet connection within windows and not setup the modem with user name/pass..ect seems to help a lot" has to be a fluke, and false most of the time. If the isp is blocking the torrent, I don't see why it wouldn't also block the torrent when id/password is negotiated on the PC. That's the part that point to hardware, and the NAT table in particular, at least the way I see it. |
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man00
join:2003-07-25
74986
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My point was if nothing changed hardware wise on my end and all the sudden the problem shows up most of the time its out of the hands of the common user. Thats saying all the hardware on my end working as always..I seen some folks saying the same that their ISP is doing some choking on torrents at this time. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to man00
Not that I can tell. Been using BT to grab fansubbed anime for a couple of years, now. The only problems I have ever encountered were local hardware. I went through two Netgear routers which couldn't handle the number of peers connecting in.
Currently running a D-Link DIR-655, and I believe my bottleneck is now the SS4100. I keep my Global maximum peer connections low (well under 1,000; more like ... 200).
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man00
join:2003-07-25
74986 | reply to man00
Something has changed, started about two months ago. |
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