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threecheese

join:2006-12-23
Babylon, NY

Full T1 vs Business Ethernet 3x3Mb (bonded)

I currently have a speakeasy T1 (1.5Mb/s, low latency).
I am considering switching to the new Business Ethernet, with 3 3Mb connections bonded together. They are the same price per month.

Can anyone tell me which one I am better off using? I run several websites on the connection, as well as a terminal server with about 7 users all across the country. I am happy with the speed, but could definitely use more. I do not use so much bandwidth that I saturate the T1.

Speakeasy doesn't give many details about the connections, except that they are 3Mb/s.

Thank you so much!!

lorennerol
Premium
join:2003-10-29
Seattle, WA

Find out how many bonded Ethernet circuits they have running. When they first started bonding T1s they had all sorts of issues. You don't want to be their guinea pig.

I'm surprised that you can get a 9mbit Ethernet circuit for the same price as a T1. The T1 should be around $300- are you getting the bonded Ethernet circuit for that?

threecheese

join:2006-12-23
Babylon, NY

Good idea.

And, it doesn't say 9Mb anywhere in the literature, so do I assume that 3 x 3Mb == 9Mb? That makes sense in real life, but in marketing-speak...

I am worried about latency. Would I have to sacrifice the low latency of the T1 for the higher bandwidth of the Ethernet? It would be very helpful if someone could explain this to me.

Thanks!!


dslx_gm
Premium,VIP
join:2002-12-26
Winnetka, CA
I think they mean 3 by 3 and not 3 times 3. In other words 3 meg download and 3 meg upload not 9 meg.


kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
reply to threecheese
It's 3Mb down and 3Mb up, not 9Mb - the '3x3' moniker is quite a stupid, confusing marketing idea, I agree.

lorennerol
Premium
join:2003-10-29
Seattle, WA

said by kamm See Profile :

It's 3Mb down and 3Mb up, not 9Mb - the '3x3' moniker is quite a stupid, confusing marketing idea, I agree.
I think it was the use of the word 'bonded' that led me to believe it was 3x3 megabit circuits. It's not a bonded circuit, as near as I can tell, just a 3 megabit Ethernet circuit.


mig288
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Merchantville, NJ

reply to threecheese
said by threecheese See Profile :

I currently have a speakeasy T1 (1.5Mb/s, low latency).
I am considering switching to the new Business Ethernet, with 3 3Mb connections bonded together. They are the same price per month.

Can anyone tell me which one I am better off using? I run several websites on the connection, as well as a terminal server with about 7 users all across the country. I am happy with the speed, but could definitely use more. I do not use so much bandwidth that I saturate the T1.

Speakeasy doesn't give many details about the connections, except that they are 3Mb/s.

Thank you so much!!
Please let me know the details as well. I went to the speakeasy website for a speed test and to my surprise I saw the 3 - 3 package as well. I came to this forum to see if anyone has signed up yet and any other specifics on the service.

paule123

join:2002-07-25
Cleveland, OH


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reply to threecheese
As far as I can tell the only downside to this new SE ethernet service is they are reselling an XO product and from what I gather XO isn't the greatest provider. (peering not as good as ATT, VerizonBusiness/MCI/UUNet, etc.)

I am curious as to how these ethernet circuits are routed, are they at the mercy of XO if something goes wrong?

I have a $400/mo 1.5M T1 with another provider and would jump to the 3Mbps ethernet if it's as reliable.

Also curious if I ordered the 3Mbps level ethernet service would they in fact install 5 2Mbps circuits so I could increase the speed later with a phone call? (from what I read this is how these ethernet over copper (EoC) services work, by bonding five 2Mbps circuits together for a max of 10Mbps)

lorennerol
Premium
join:2003-10-29
Seattle, WA

said by paule123 See Profile :

As far as I can tell the only downside to this new SE ethernet service is they are reselling an XO product and from what I gather XO isn't the greatest provider. (peering not as good as ATT, VerizonBusiness/MCI/UUNet, etc.)
Ugh. I didn't know it's XO service they are reselling. This isn't good news.

paule123

join:2002-07-25
Cleveland, OH

reply to threecheese
More about XO Ethernet over Copper:

»www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=152667

»www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=165904

»www.hatterasnetworks.com/default···Overview

cooldude9919

join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:

reply to threecheese
If it is just reselling XO, the question is does it ride over speakeasy's network or XO's network? Either way it is cheaper than pricing i have got from XO direct. I got the following from them vs speakeasy's rates.
XO Speak easy
3mb - $593 $380
5mb - $773 $720
10mb - $1198 $995

It is an interesting product, basically they just run a form of dsl over plain copper pairs and use a box from hatteras networks to bond all the lines together to get you your 3,5,or 10mb. When you think about it at least you have more of a redundant circuit (~5 copper pairs or something like that for 10mb) vs a single pair for a t1. Then again the line is not near as conditioned as a t1 would be.

I would really like to hear from some people who have used this product as the pricing per mb makes it pretty attractive.


Speakeasy

@speakeasy.net

reply to threecheese
As of March, 2009, Pricing is as follows:
For more details, call 877.240.4850

10 Mbps Ethernet
1yr - $1295
2yr - $1100
3yr - $995

5 Mbps Ethernet
1yr - $850
2yr - $800
3yr - $720

3 Mbps Ethernet
1yr - $580
2yr - $480
3yr - $380

speakeasy

join:2009-03-12

reply to threecheese
FYI -- Speakeasy has a sub-60 millisecond latency per their terms of service:

"Speakeasy guarantees a maximum average latency of 60 milliseconds from Customer's router to the nearest gateway on the IP network"

»speakeasy.net/tos/sla_bb.php


krosburg

@algx.net
Just want to make a comment about Speakeasy reselling ANYthing from XO -- this is not good at all. I am currently considering switching from XO to Speakeasy for the T1 (1.5) service and have had a really awful experience with XO over the years.

lorennerol
Premium
join:2003-10-29
Seattle, WA

said by krosburg :

Just want to make a comment about Speakeasy reselling ANYthing from XO -- this is not good at all. I am currently considering switching from XO to Speakeasy for the T1 (1.5) service and have had a really awful experience with XO over the years.
I have a 3.0/3.0 order in for a client right now. I'll report back after cutover to let everyone know how it's going.

cooldude9919

join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:

said by lorennerol See Profile :

said by krosburg :

Just want to make a comment about Speakeasy reselling ANYthing from XO -- this is not good at all. I am currently considering switching from XO to Speakeasy for the T1 (1.5) service and have had a really awful experience with XO over the years.
I have a 3.0/3.0 order in for a client right now. I'll report back after cutover to let everyone know how it's going.
Let us know the lead time, actual throughput, and maybe a few trace routes. Are you going through xo or speakeasy?

lorennerol
Premium
join:2003-10-29
Seattle, WA

said by cooldude9919 See Profile :

said by lorennerol See Profile :

said by krosburg :

Just want to make a comment about Speakeasy reselling ANYthing from XO -- this is not good at all. I am currently considering switching from XO to Speakeasy for the T1 (1.5) service and have had a really awful experience with XO over the years.
I have a 3.0/3.0 order in for a client right now. I'll report back after cutover to let everyone know how it's going.
Let us know the lead time, actual throughput, and maybe a few trace routes. Are you going through xo or speakeasy?
It's ordered through Speakeasy. I'll keep everyone posted.

qworster

join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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reply to threecheese
This circuit (3.0 mbps) works by bonding four dry line DSLs together. Once it gets to the CO, then it connects to XO's ATM network.

Being DSL, unlike T1, it is distance sensitive.

Speakeasy does all the service, monitoring, etc. They provide a four nines SLA. You get 16 static IP addresses with the service-extra IP's are available for an additional charge.

They are still trying to prequalify my client.

danggang

join:2009-03-30

reply to threecheese
We had Business Ethernet (10mb symmetrical) installed at my company's HQ about two weeks ago. Prior to that we had Speakeasy's 3mb bonded T1 service for about two years. Prior to that, we had SDSL service with Speakeasy, and I've had Speakeasy DSL in various forms at home for about 8 years. So far I am not impressed with the BusE service. Install issues (of which there were plenty) aside, the service has not proven to be anything like as reliable as my T1s were. As others have pointed out, Speakeasy is reselling XO service here: the installers are XO field techs, and the circuit is connected to XO's network. This makes troubleshooting difficult, since the customer can't communicate directly with a tech who's looking at the back end of the circuit. Instead, messages have to be relayed back and forth via SE (who, in turn, basically just has to take XO's word for what's going on). Also, all XO (and, unfortunately, some of the SE techs I've dealt with) seem to care about are speed tests. I haven't had any latency issues (around 6ms pings from my router to XO 's nearest POP), but I have been plagued with reliability issues. The connection hiccups, and at times just goes down altogether. Further, neither SE nor XO take responsibility for the router with this service, so you're left on your own to solve any router configuration issues -- or even just determine if there might be a router configuration issue. (To their credit, SE is helping me with some of this, even though they don't have to.)

Anyway, I haven't given up yet, and this is just my personal experience; other customers are obviously using the BusE and are apparently having better luck than me (I can't find any discussion on the topic, other than here). If anyone else has this service, I'd appreciate hearing your experience with it, with the Hatteras box, and with XO's network and tech support.

cooldude9919

join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:

said by danggang See Profile :

We had Business Ethernet (10mb symmetrical) installed at my company's HQ about two weeks ago. Prior to that we had Speakeasy's 3mb bonded T1 service for about two years. Prior to that, we had SDSL service with Speakeasy, and I've had Speakeasy DSL in various forms at home for about 8 years. So far I am not impressed with the BusE service. Install issues (of which there were plenty) aside, the service has not proven to be anything like as reliable as my T1s were. As others have pointed out, Speakeasy is reselling XO service here: the installers are XO field techs, and the circuit is connected to XO's network. This makes troubleshooting difficult, since the customer can't communicate directly with a tech who's looking at the back end of the circuit. Instead, messages have to be relayed back and forth via SE (who, in turn, basically just has to take XO's word for what's going on). Also, all XO (and, unfortunately, some of the SE techs I've dealt with) seem to care about are speed tests. I haven't had any latency issues (around 6ms pings from my router to XO 's nearest POP), but I have been plagued with reliability issues. The connection hiccups, and at times just goes down altogether. Further, neither SE nor XO take responsibility for the router with this service, so you're left on your own to solve any router configuration issues -- or even just determine if there might be a router configuration issue. (To their credit, SE is helping me with some of this, even though they don't have to.)

Anyway, I haven't given up yet, and this is just my personal experience; other customers are obviously using the BusE and are apparently having better luck than me (I can't find any discussion on the topic, other than here). If anyone else has this service, I'd appreciate hearing your experience with it, with the Hatteras box, and with XO's network and tech support.
This is the exact issues i am afraid of. My issues would be worse in the fact that i wouldnt be on site and would be doing everything remotely. Sounds like it may be a better idea to try to work with XO directly and use speakeasy's price as a negotiation tool.
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