ddg4005
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join:2001-08-22
Bronx, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Verizon Again Tweaks DSL Bundles
This is a difficult time for Verizon. On the one hand Fios has proven to be a great service for many customers. On the other hand it's not available to many DSL customers like myself who are willing to wait (but not forever).
There isn't a magic bullet that's going to curb the defections to cable. Time Warner, Cablevision, Cox, and Comcast all currently offer triple play packages that are too tempting for cash-strapped households to resist. The best thing for Verizon then is to accelerate the rollout of Fios to as many people as possible. Aside from having to negotiate franchise agreements with townships and municipalities I hope they're able to get the service into as many MDUs as they can without going through too much crap from the landlords.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Speeding up deployment is not an option these days due to the fact that Verizon is under the thumb of the stockholder. |
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jchambers28
join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Dish Network
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·Vonage
·magicjack.com
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the biggest problem is that dsl has too many limitations to qualify for the service. No mater what happens cable will beat dsl hands down. because there is no distance limitations at all with cable. As long as you have access to the lines you are good to go. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| reply to S_engineer
said by S_engineer  :Speeding up deployment is not an option these days due to the fact that Verizon is under the thumb of the stockholder. What about all the money they got from Pennsylvania taxpayers ? |
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
| reply to ddg4005
said by ddg4005 :...hope they're able to get the service into as many MDUs as they can without going through too much crap from the landlords.
If push come to shove they could always take a step back and do fiber to the node and then ultra high speed DSL for the 'last yard' rather than 'last mile'. They do have options.
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Plattsburgh NY
@charter.com
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They just don't get it, it's all about speed. I used to have Verizon DSL 1.5 MB, I switched to Charter Cable because they offered 3 MB, now almost 3 years later I have 5 MB with Charter which is the fastest speed they offer in my city. Verizon DSL is still at 1.5 MB, if they are not going to offer FIOS in an area then they have to upgrade their DSL in those areas or they will still keep losing customers to cable. Bottom line is if you want internet to check email chances are you will go with dial-up for about 10 bucks a month. If you want the internet for more than that then you will want the speed, period. Wake up verizon No FIOS, then faster DSL. I would go back to DSL in a heartbeat if they offered the 7.1 MB here but I doubt they ever will. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to N O Y B
Not cost effective in the long run.
The real goal with Fios is to sell the TV portion of it. That's where the real revenue stream is.
Running fiber to the node would be short sighted, and would run Verizon straight into bankruptcy. By the time they invested the money into all that FTTN and copper interface, they would still be stuck with eventually running FTTP.
Verizon's best bet is to continue on as they are now. Deploy as much FiOS as they can, and get as many TV customers as they can.
The bottom line is nothing can grow forever. Companies, the economy, incomes. All are subject to eventually corrections and contractions.
Verizon, and the shareholders (that's the shareholders of all companies mind you) are going to have to realize that the days of never ending rising profits are over.
People really have lost sight of the fact that these corrections in the business cycle are a natural progression of the economy as a whole and are sometimes necessary.
For too long now, we've propped up bubble after bubble (Dot com, housing, commodities) and the whole thing has gotten out of hand.
We've been due for a couple down years. In the same way a naturally ignited forest fire clears the dead timber from the forest floor, a down economy flushes out the poorly run businesses. The well run businesses emerge on the other side lean, mean and ready to compete.
The poorly run businesses die.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to DaveNJ
They're still a publicly traded company and have to provide a good ROI, otherwise their shares will be toast. |
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shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA | reply to Plattsburgh NY
Sounds like you're over 15k feet from the CO, good luck, if you're closer you should be able to get 3mb at least |
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probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA
| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :Running fiber to the node would be short sighted, and would run Verizon straight into bankruptcy. By the time they invested the money into all that FTTN and copper interface, they would still be stuck with eventually running FTTP. Why would running fiber to the node bankrupt VZ but not FIOS (I'm not trying to be sarcastic or snide, I'm actually curious)? If the ultimate goal is FTTP, can it be done in two phases, with the first being FTTN and the second extending FTTN to the home? |
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XknightHawkX
join:2003-02-13
Morton, IL
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This is why cable is better. None of the distance problem. I'm stuck with 1.5mb and Verizon isn't about to put a remote terminal in around here. And the distance isn't going to be extended apparently.
My problem is that I'm stuck with dsl. I live in a trailer park that provides us with cable. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to probboy
The systems don't work that way.
The way Verizon would likely deploy a FTTN system would be to install multiple RT's and serve the adjacent areas with DSL. You're looking in the neighborhood of at least $15,000 to install a remote terminal. To deliver 7 MBS service to an entire area would cost a fortune. Perhaps almost as much as installing FiOS instead.
The fiber run to the RT would not be usable as part of the Fios network installed in an area served by a given central office. Besides, the bulk of cost associated with a RT is the vault, mini DSLAM, etc.
Upon upgrading a given CO to FiOS, all those RT's become legacy equipment.
I really don't see how Verizon could ever recover the costs associated with deploying FTTN this way. I can't think of any other way they would do it.
In areas that FiOS hasn't reached yet, Verizon is going to lag. There's just no other way around it.
The FTTN solution costs a truck load of money, and is for lack of a better term, a half assed solution. Better to sink your working capital into the real deal and getting as many TV subs on board as possible.
Make no mistake about it, FiOS isn't really about fast internet, at least not for Verizon. It's simply a juicy by product of that fiber optic goodness that lets Verizon sell people TV.
FiOS is all about the boob tube for Verizon. That's where the real cheesecake is...
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AMDUSER
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join:2003-05-28
Earth
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·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :"..Running fiber to the node would be short sighted, and would run Verizon straight into bankruptcy. By the time they invested the money into all that FTTN and copper interface, they would still be stuck with eventually running FTTP..." This does a good job of describing AT&Ts Uverse depoyment. Too short term, higher cost of deployment (then expected) partally due to not enough spare pairs; the 26 gauge wiring does not help either. The limited coverage availablity for the service areas is detrimental to who can get service (more coverage= more people who could possibly get service.). |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to jchambers28
said by jchambers28 :No mater what happens cable will beat dsl hands down. That's not always the only factor to determining 'who wins'.
If I could get 3-6Mbps DSL (3Mbps DSL is available here) and VoIP for $50/month, I'd drop cable tomorrow.
Cable has been VERY unreliable here in Santa Clarita over the past few months that I've had service. TV/Phone/Internet outages have been often - a few times/month, and issues with DHCP/DNS have caused many other issues.
In the 5 years prior, I have had less outages (outside of SCE burning AT&T's wire) than I have in the 5 months of TWC service. The problem with AT&T, is that they're being bullish on service, and there are few deals to be had. |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to S_engineer
said by S_engineer :Speeding up deployment is not an option these days due to the fact that Verizon is under the thumb of the stockholder. Neighbor's brother is a FIOS installer. I just asked him last week how much deployment has slowed recently and he just laughed. They've got more work than they can handle. It seems they really are rolling it out as fast as they can. |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | reply to N3OGH
Thanks for posting exactly what I wanted to say. |
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ashworth
join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to DaveNJ
That's nice ... that always comes up about PA ... and they(PA) got ripped off...but we must move on at some point. Did the report say that 30-50% off subs loss from DSL actually went to FiOS. I think everyone would like advanced services.
PS No FiOS here
or the aforementioned PA fiber deployment |
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