Laughing Man
Stand Alone Complex
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join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
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| Meet the new boss...
Same as the old boss. While his politics are different from Kevin's, it's a good bet that not too much will change since he's an attorney and willing to share the views of any lobbyist that may come his way. Here's to hoping that I'm wrong and some good does come out of this. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | If he's the guy telling Obama to get the DTV transiton delyed I already don't like him.
We'll see though. nice to see he's for helping America get out of being a 3rd world broadband nation. |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| what a reason not to like him. if he doesnt think that we're ready to go DTV then we're not ready.
We would have HSI in the rural areas if more companies would deply. Why not go out and build a WISP in a rural area and by pass the LTE tech that won't be here for another two or three years anyway. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to BF69
said by BF69  :If he's the guy telling Obama to get the DTV transiton delyed I already don't like him. He's also the guy who spearheaded and developed the most successful use of technology by a Presidential candidate ... EVER. Add that together with the fact he is pro net-neutrality and I am (initially) happy with his selection.
And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :what a reason not to like him. if he doesnt think that we're ready to go DTV then we're not ready. Listen dude we are 35 days away from the transition. Too late to delay. Besides only procrstinators aren't ready. stations have spend BILLIONS getting ready for this transition companies spent 20 BILLION in the FCC auction last year and have a RIGHT to used that spectrum they PAID for on Feb 17th. Anyone suggesting we aren't ready is either ignorant or has an agenda. If some old fart refuses to get a converter box or a new Tv because they are against this, fuck em. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by BF69 :said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case.
A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it?
So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. |
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JPL
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join:2007-04-04
West Chester, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| said by Matt :said by BF69 :said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it? So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. If your basis of 'we're not ready' is defined by the fact that some people don't know how to handle this analog shut-off, then we should just shuttle the whole thing right now and forget about EVER going full digital. If you're waiting for every person to be technically literate enough for this transition to go by without someone panicking (who the hell calls the fire department when they're TV goes out?), then just forget the whole thing, because, by that definition, we'll NEVER be ready.
I look to the analog shut-off that Verizon did. They notified us by every means imaginable - fliers in the mail, automated phone calls, e-mails, messages on their site in about a million different places (including a big link off their home page about it), a scroll on one of their cable channels, a message sent to our set top boxes, and even a VOD item that was all about that transition. And guess what? There were STILL people caught off guard! Forget about living under a rock, you had to be living under a mountain to miss this, and yet some people still did. I don't know what else Verizon could have done.
Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!'
I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back.
Point is, when someone doesn't understand something, they procrastinate on doing anything about it. That's what you're hitting now with this transition - people who don't understand it and are just sitting on their hands (hell, my wife's 93 year-old grandfather knows that this is coming). No amount of delay will correct THAT issue. |
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Austinloop
join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
| reply to Matt
Was Wilmington fire dispatch that stupid that the fire department was dispatched because people lost TV? I am not sure who is more moronic, the dispatchers or those who called for help.
For at least the past 6 months my area has been bombarded with PSA's, crawls on the screen, etc. How much more does one have to do? Yes, I have helped a person get ready for the change over by getting a converter for them, etc.
Who are the very knowledgable people who fee we are not ready, besides obama and his henchmen? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. And if you are trying to suggest that I don't you have no clue as to who you are talking to.
A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this . A lot of "knowledgeable" people where in charge of our financial sytems. How'd that one turn out for the "all knowing"?
in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. That's why it was called a TEST. You're the kind of person that gets a beta version of something then bitches about the glitches. And most of those 1000 people will
A) not have an issue come Feb 17th.
B) are fucking retarded and need to educate themselves.
So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. And that's their own fault.
I'm so tired of people who refuse to educate themselves on stuff then complain. I have a friend who is 6 years younger than me and hell I'm 40 and doesn't hardly know shit about shit technology wise. I'm his computer "expert" and just about everything else electronic. He didn't even know how to properly use his HDTV. His excuse is "I don't know anything about that stuff." I tell him he'll probably live another 40-50 years and he better start catching up before he gets too far behind. That's just the way it is now. The days of just being blissfully ignorant are over. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| Hold on for a sec. I need a longer lens to still see the relevance of your argument from here. Be right back...
As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it? So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. A lot of people are never going to be ready for DTV, just like they were never ready for horseless carriages (automobiles), universal suffrage, women's rights etc.
If we keep waiting on people who aren't ready, we'll be waiting forever.
I also know for a fact that some people don't want the DTV transition to happen in their lifetimes. Some of those people think that analog TV is just fine for everyone, and some are even jealous of those with new HDTVs. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to BF69
And companies long before the wireless companies were given the right to use the Airwavz for public TV.
Regardless if the country is not ready we're not ready. Maybe you should pony up the money and buy the boxes that people need.
Or maybe AT&T should expand their "future proof" tv service their marketing and we wouldn't have this problem since they're claiming their the ONLY TV service that won't be affected by the change. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. And if you are trying to suggest that I don't you have no clue as to who you are talking to. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this . A lot of "knowledgeable" people where in charge of our financial sytems. How'd that one turn out for the "all knowing"? in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. That's why it was called a TEST. You're the kind of person that gets a beta version of something then bitches about the glitches. And most of those 1000 people will A) not have an issue come Feb 17th. B) are fucking retarded and need to educate themselves. So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. And that's their own fault. I'm so tired of people who refuse to educate themselves on stuff then complain. I have a friend who is 6 years younger than me and hell I'm 40 and doesn't hardly know shit about shit technology wise. I'm his computer "expert" and just about everything else electronic. He didn't even know how to properly use his HDTV. His excuse is "I don't know anything about that stuff." I tell him he'll probably live another 40-50 years and he better start catching up before he gets too far behind. That's just the way it is now. The days of just being blissfully ignorant are over. When in doubt deflect the argument, curse, and insult. You're hopeless.  |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :When in doubt deflect the argument, curse, and insult. You're hopeless. When in doubt just bash the other point of view instead of making a point of your own. YOU are the hopeless one my friend. Come back in a few years when you join grown up world. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :said by RadioDoc :As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. So you agree that many people wait until the last minute, but yet at the same time you want to extend the transition for these same people? Give these people 6 months and in 6 months they'll want and expect another 6 month extention. That's just how some people are.
People wait until the last second to file their taxes. They do eventually file them because they know there are consequences for filing after April 15th. If you push back the date now those people that would have gotten their acts together in the next 5 weeks will just figure "hey I've got another 6 months I'll upgrade later" |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to Matt
A lot of people thought the world was going to collapse when the W2k issue came.
However, I and nobody I know, noticed a single glitch.
I didn't think I was financially ready to buy a house or new car. I didnt think I could or was ready to have 1 kid, especially 2. And yet everytime I simply had to take a dive and do it. And everytime it has worked itself out.
Delaying this will do nothing more than simply delay it. When the next due date comes you will have the same whining and it will probably be by the same people it is now. |
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jay_rm
join:2002-04-12
Netville
 ·Fox Valley Internet
·ViaTalk
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :He's also the guy who spearheaded and developed the most successful use of technology by a Presidential candidate ... EVER. You mean the un-regulated on-line campaign donation scam ?
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 :A lot of people thought the world was going to collapse when the Y2k issue came. However, I and nobody I know, noticed a single glitch. Think harder about that. (hint: It didn't just work itself out.)
That said, I'm not convinced a delay is needed.
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