dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA
| Newbie to WISP's needs some info.
Hey all, I'm new to this WISP stuff. I just recently discovered it. I currently have Wild Blue Sat internet, which in a word, sucks. The latency is horrible for me because i like to game online and that's impossible with sat internet. Plus everytime I download a demo and a few songs i go over my limit, it's ridiculous. plus the weather is a huge factor cuz everytime it snows or rains i lose connection.
Anyway, what is the general overview of wireless broadband. I will most likely be using it exclusively at my home. We already have a linksys router, what else would I need. Im guessing I'll be using one of the USB "recievers". Do I need an antenna? Do i need an amp? And what does all this stuff cost? Thanks in advance. |
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AMD Phreak
Premium
join:2003-12-14
| If you sign up with a WISP they will provide the equipment either on their dime, your dime, or a rental charge. They will most likely drop an ethernet connection to you, which may be NAT'ted or might be straight routed.
You won't need USB or amplifiers or any of that stuff. Most all WISP's will allow you to use your own router so you should be good to go there too.
Be sure to check with the wisp about their network latency, if they support VoIP, and in general their reliability. Most anything out there is going to be better than Wild Blue in terms of throughput and latency.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
 ·VOIPo
1 edit | reply to dashock333
I'm with AMD Phreak, ask the WISP some questions first. Ask about ping/lag and if it is good for gaming. I asked mine what the ping was when I got it installed, the guy said about 60ms and 90% of the time it is that or less. Do they work with VoIP(mine said frequency mattered but it was a new guy[just back from iraq] so I let is slide, I was told, by the #2 guy, when I called I could use VoIP frequency did not matter). Unless the are horridly oversold it should be better than WB. I had WB so I know where you are coming from.
Over all I would say, at least from my experince, wireless uberly pwns WB to death. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA
| reply to dashock333
Well I just went on speed test and the results were ugly. down: About 470, up 74 (ouch!), and my ping was... 925ms! I hate sat internet.
I am looking into Millenicom, their price is $60 a month, what Im paying for WB. They have no download limits (sweet), and no contracts (really sweet). The email they sent me said the following, "Congratulations, you are in an area where the connectivity should be
excellent.
The speeds are burstable to 3.1M/1.8M. Your actual speeds will vary
(consider the service works over cell towers, so as your cell service has
variability so will this service) but should fall in the 500K - 1.5M range
(with upload speeds about half that).
The cost is $59.99/month with a $49.99 one-time fee.
Your connection is unlimited, will not be location specific, can be used
throughout the country, even while you travel and has no contract (you can
cancel at any time).
Once we receive your sign-up request, you should receive your device
within one week (your initial charge will be pro-rated for the month with
re-occurring $59.99 charge automatically on the first of each subsequent
month; accounts signing up in the last 10 days of the month will be
charged the following months fee as well). Please note there is a $15
shipping fee.
No Contract ~ you can close your account at any time. Simply return the
device in proper working order in its original case with all the original
contents of the case. Failure to do so results in a one-time charge of
$200 and then you are no longer responsible for the account."
Can I plug the usb device into my linksys wrt54gs router? I looked at the router and from what I can see there is one ethernet intput and 4 ethernet outputs on the back, but no USB ports. I would really like it if I didn't have to buy a new router. Also, I read a bunch of other threads and it seems like most ppl have antennas of some sort, should i look into them? How much do they run for? Thanks for all the help.
I should be able to play Burnout Paradise online now, yay!!! haha |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | The antennas r only if you get a weak sig and it messes with the internet. Yes you will need to buy a new router. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA | reply to dashock333
How much do the wisp routers fun for?
Also, if I get the usb reciever and use that in my laptop, can I just run an ethernet cable to my ps3 to use the ps3 online? |
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AMD Phreak
Premium
join:2003-12-14 | WISP equipment runs from around $100 to $600
It all depends. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to dashock333
The one from millenicom is $130. As for the ethernet to ps3 from ur laptop IDK. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA
| reply to dashock333
Well, I read somewhere else here on the forum, I forget where... sorry, that a guy had just connected a cat 5 ethernet cable from his computer to his PS3, plugged the USB reciever into his computer, and then shared his network somehow with his PS3. I can't really give many technicle details because Im not a techie, I just want faster internet. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Did he have fixed or mobile wireless? I think they may make something like what you want, but it would be easier to get a router. Also you may want to see if there is a local fixed WISP near you, if there us you most likely will not have to buy a new router I did not when I switched from WB to my WISP they even support VoIP. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO
| reply to dashock333
said by dashock333  :Can I plug the usb device into my linksys wrt54gs router? no. you need an EVDO router.
you are confusing WISP with cellular broadband. they are both wireless, but different. satellite is wireless, too, but it is different. cellular broadband comes from cellular towers, and you'll get a USB device that connects directly to your computer or to an EVDO router. WISP comes from a tower, and the WISP company attaches a dish to your home and runs a wire into the house to connect to a bridge which then connects to one machine (computer or router). WISPs can have excellent latency and jitter. cellular broadband will not have excellent latency and jitter and you might not be happy with gaming experience. WISPs will be better for gaming, but local WISP companies might not want their networks used for that type of traffic -- be sure to ask. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA | reply to dashock333
Oh, ok. I thought that WISP towers were the cell towers.
Well I checked the verizon broadband coverage map and my house is included in that area of blue. I'm gonn atry contacting Millenicom to see what they say. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | If you do have a local WISP ask about gaming. On my WISPs home page it says great for gaming, and when the owner came out to move my receiver he said it was great for gaming. other WISPs may not like gaming, or VoIP. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA | reply to dashock333
Why would a WISP care about gaming?
Also, does anyone ever notice lag while gaming with their WISP? |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Sometimes I do(I brawl is pretty good, not much lag there, PBR OTOH....) Some wireless ISPs are not as "solid" as others. If your pings are for the most part around 100ms you should be ok. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA | reply to dashock333
What kind of ping is pushing it for too high for shooters, such as the Call Of Duty games. I have a PS3 and I would love to play shooters online. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Here are two of my pings.
Pinging www.l.google.com [209.85.225.104] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 209.85.225.104: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=242
Reply from 209.85.225.104: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=242
Reply from 209.85.225.104: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=242
Reply from 209.85.225.104: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=242
Pinging www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 209.123.109.175: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=52
Reply from 209.123.109.175: bytes=32 time=85ms TTL=52
Reply from 209.123.109.175: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=52
Reply from 209.123.109.175: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=52
I would say no more than 120-ishms(even that may be pushing it) 100ms and less and should be good enough for shooters.
Hoe many neighbors do you have? how much would you all be willing to pay for internet? what speed? |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA
1 edit | reply to dashock333
Well, me1212, I have one closish neigbor (about 3-400 yards), and another about twice as far away. I live about a quarter to half a mile away from a road that is serviced by comcast and has at least a dozen or so homes on it. Why do u ask? Maybe if I knew then I can aswer more specifically.
U also mentioned, "Also you may want to see if there is a local fixed WISP near you, if there us you most likely will not have to buy a new router I did not when I switched from WB to my WISP they even support VoIP." How do I go about finding out if there is a local fixed WISP? |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
1 edit | »www.onelasvegas.com/wireless/
»www.onelasvegas.com/wireless/
»/gmaps/localis···s&place=
put ur area code after the = on the last 1
There r the links to help find a local FWISP
The neighbors thing was for a t1, and with them that far away it look likes a no go, unless you want to spend hundreds a month for a t1(it 1.5m/1.5m).
EDIT: If you cannot get a fixed WISP can you get an ISDN line? from what I understand it is like uber dial-up. you need a more expencive ISDN phone line(I hear the audio on the ISDN phone line is better than a normal phone line) if they will bond it it will be 128/128(other wise its 64/64) from what I hear it will work with a wired router and the ping are more like 100m-150ms, but if you can get those pings with any kinds of WISP(there r fixed wisps and mobile(cellular) wisps) WISP>ISDN. |
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dashock333
join:2007-11-18
Pine Grove, PA
| reply to dashock333
Well hundreds a month is out of the question. We just want it for our home, not for a business or anything.
How much is ISDN a month?
We pay $60 a month right now for sat internet, and that's about the max.
I'll try to find out if there are fixed WISP's in the area.
What's the difference between a fixed WISP and a cellular WISP?
According to the google maps the closest tower is prolly over 20 miles away and through some mountains.
There is a tower on the mountain right behind my house, how do I find out what that is for? Could it be a WISP? |
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