gmracing
join:2000-12-01
Illinois
|  More CPE stuff
OK... I am still not very happy with my CPE options. I have tested with the Orinoco silver connected to a pig tail/ connected to a 50' LMR-400 cable/ connected to a 13dBi sector... and while functional it is a minimalist sort of install that does not provide any options for customer home LANs.
What I believe I need is a DSSS client with an ethernet port that would allow for hubs, switches and routers in the customer premise.
Do you all have any ideas or suggestions as to what AP/bridge I might try? The Wipop is an AP-1000 / COR running in AP mode for client connections.
Thanks again to all of you...MK |
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pvbbdotnet
join:2001-04-12
Fairfield, CA | Have u looked at the Karlnet 802.11b compatible stuff? They make firware that fits on an Rg1000 that turns it into bridging CPE. |
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aldonorth
join:2001-04-21
Carlisle, AR
| reply to gmracing
Orinoco Ethernet Converters and Apple Airports are what I have seen used. ECs only handle 2 meg and according to some are being phased out. Karlnet doesn't support ECs so we are about to change all of them out to RG-1000s. Karlnet does support the Airport and it operates at 11 meg. |
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korym
Go Wisp's
ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-12-23
Richmond, VA
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We're considering using RG-1000 with Karlnet too. I've heard of a nice unit for about $350 that runs Power over Ethernet and includes the radio card and RG-1000 guts in a NEMA-type box. Only thing to add is the antenna.
HTH!
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tenspeed
join:2001-12-15
Harrington, DE | We're running into the same problem here with CPE options.
Have you tested this unit config?
Tenspeed
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korym
Go Wisp's
ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-12-23
Richmond, VA
clubs:
| Not yet, tenspeed. I'm still on the fence whether we should go with a DSSS-based solution in Richmond (it's a good size metropolitan area so I'm very concerned about interference) like Orinoco or with an FHSS solution like Cirronet. The thing about Cirronet is that it only allows speeds up to 920kbps and is only USB compatible for now. That currently means no Mac or Linux support.
The plus, though, is that it's only $370 for all the CPE and is entirely customer installable, i.e. no truckroll, i.e. no setup fees.
Gotta make a decision soon though because Excite@Home is shutting off Comcast's network on the Southside at the end of the month and Comcast is rushing to move their subs to their own network. With all the problems the other @Home people have been having with these moves, I'm anticipating demand for our service to increase significantly.
Anyway, have a good one!
K.
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tenspeed
join:2001-12-15
Harrington, DE
| We in the process of setting several area's and the common complaint is the CPE cost is to high. They love the service once they get on.
Also they truck rolls are getting out of hand.
I've looked at all kinds of setups, but I want to stay with the Orinoco solutions, it at all possible. I have to much invested in equipment to change mid stream.
Tell me a little about your setup.
tenspeed
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aldonorth
join:2001-04-21
Carlisle, AR
| reply to korym
RG-1000
The RG-1000s may be getting phases out for the 1100s? I just bought 20 of them for $59 each. According to Winncom, the 1100s have DSL modem in them instead of 56K modems. I bought some up since the modems don't really mean anything to me anyway. There may be some more cheapies out there for a while? |
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Dirk Daring
join:2000-08-03
Ashburn, VA
| reply to gmracing
Re: More CPE stuff
Have you tried looking at the YDI EtherAnt?
It has a card installed inside a 18dbi flat panel, 50 feet of outdoor rj45 cable (powered). They will give you a break on price if you order 100+. $400 isn't bad for 100 of em.
We have been looking at it for our community project.
»www.ydi.com/etherant.asp
Dirk
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By using the YDI RS-1 Router (or other similar device) the EtherAnt can provide Wireless Internet Access subscribers that have computers on a LAN.
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korym
Go Wisp's
ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-12-23
Richmond, VA
clubs: | Just to clarify, Dirk, it sounds like if you order 100+ of the EtherAnt, that's $400 apiece, not for the entire lot.
Still, that's not a bad price for the entire set up.
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korym
Go Wisp's
ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-12-23
Richmond, VA
clubs:
| reply to tenspeed
Well, tenspeed, fortunately, we don't have too many customers on our current Alvarion BAII setup so it won't be too much to redeploy with Orinoco or Cirronet or whatever else we're looking at.
I still love the performance of the Alvarion gear but the CPE is simply too high.
I'm actually working with a gentleman who offers the RG-1000 in the NEMA box for about $350 apiece. But it runs Karlnet's client software so our entire infrastructure would have to be Karlnet driven. Adds a bit more cost to the infrastructure but it's worth it to me since it also offers bandwidth management, a higher level of security control and more. Of course, if we go with a straight 802.11b network, we can add a bandwidth management tool such as YDI's solution.
The biggest concern for us is if a DSSS-based network can handle the good sized metropolitan area we're deploying in. That's why we're looking at Cirronet too.
HTH!
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woodix
join:2002-01-05
Atlanta, GA
| reply to gmracing
Glad somebody cranked up a thread on this one! I'm wrangling with this end to and it feels like I'm just hitting my head against the wall. I want to keep CPE price low (doesn't everyone) to be competitive with other solutions in the area (in case they try to increase service area) and keep the install as low impact as possible. It seems like the YDI solution is the best out of box. I'm a bit turned off by Karlnet b/c the drivers are only available for MS operating systems. Even if 95% of the world uses it, I don't and I know many others who don't either (but that's another thread).
woodix |
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Dirk Daring
join:2000-08-03
Ashburn, VA | reply to korym
heh $400 for the lot --- Don't we wish!
Of course $400 each. 
Dirk |
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tenspeed
join:2001-12-15
Harrington, DE
| reply to korym
Go wireless,
I've looked at quite a few setup, about the only one I haven't tried is the YDI etherant setup. It's a bit pricey.
But I'm still looking. I can't justify ordering a kit all the time to play with it. I've got enough in my stock pile now.
Is anyone here using the YDI kit?
tenspeed
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korym
Go Wisp's
ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-12-23
Richmond, VA
clubs:
| Yeah, I know what you mean, tenspeed. As the saying goes (and at the risk of offending some) it's time for me to take a sh*t or get off the pot. 
Dirk, I would love to get that many people signed up initially with the guarantee they'd sign up for service when the equipment came in. $40k's a nice chunk of change to lay down for 100 CPE units.
Then again, all in due time! 
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dongato17
VIP
join:2000-07-28
Atlanta, GA
| reply to korym
Hey Kory,
Have you thought about making your own rg1000/karlnet/nema enclosure? Methinks it would be pretty cheap. Plus you could put a router? between two of them, put a directional antenna on one and an omni on the other, set them to different channels and set up your own little "routing" node to build out your network.... Just a thought. If you were strategic about where you put your repeater nodes, then it could save you some infrastructure [read tower] costs in the long run....
-Hal |
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MSITHero
join:2001-12-06
Parker, CO
clubs: 
| reply to aldonorth
said by aldonorth:
Orinoco Ethernet Converters and Apple Airports are what I have seen used. ECs only handle 2 meg and according to some are being phased out. Karlnet doesn't support ECs so we are about to change all of them out to RG-1000s. Karlnet does support the Airport and it operates at 11 meg.
I talked to Orinoco and they said they are not discontunieing the ECs.
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MSITHero
join:2001-12-06
Parker, CO
clubs:
| reply to aldonorth
said by aldonorth:
Orinoco Ethernet Converters and Apple Airports are what I have seen used. ECs only handle 2 meg and according to some are being phased out. Karlnet doesn't support ECs so we are about to change all of them out to RG-1000s. Karlnet does support the Airport and it operates at 11 meg.
I contacted Orinoco and they siad they are not going to discontinue the ECs. SO they are still an option.
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superdog
I Need A Drink
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-13
Lebanon, PA
|  reply to dongato17
Hi Gang!!!,I love everyone here but the more I read the more I like my situation!!!.I only have a T1 and I am sure that my Equipment will take care of any bandwidth problem I have(Raylink is slow so it almost moves backwards!!!!HEHEHEHE).I am just kidding!!!.All I want to do is use my T1 to the best ability that I can!.I was told today that I do not need to use any Breezecom stuff as Linux and a 486 machine will solve all my problems(linux router)for all my business users?,everyone is worried about speed but the end result is only as fast as Your backbone?,Tim
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korym
Go Wisp's
ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-12-23
Richmond, VA
clubs:
| reply to gmracing
Ummm...I'm not sure of your point, Tim, i.e. using Breezecom with your Raylink solution. Did someone tell you you needed to do that? Would you please clarify?
Thx.
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