| I don't come here to read The Register ... or any other major online journalism site. I know where to find those sources if I need general-interest reading material.
It's boring as hell. I come here for dialogue on security matters, not to be flooded with dozens of secondhand announcements of irrelevant news-mill material.
I'm going to take a brief hiatus from DSLR Security.
I'll drop by again soon to see if the place is still being semi-spammed by GenXL, and if it is, I'm going to lose interest again.
Yes, I'm serious. This sends me AWAY.
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Security news items are just as welcome as security problems. Wildcatboy welcomes any and all items that deal with security and security issues. And since he's the forum host, it's his call.
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Time for me to speak up.I've seen a few threads about this issue and a few IMs and Hey Mods, so I think it's time for me to speak up. There are two major complaints, one being absolutely valid and the other invalid.
First, let's discuss the one that I think is invalid and that's the argument that basically says there's no place for news in this forum. I disagree. Anything related to Security is a valid topic in this forum. I have hardly looked at any of the news posts because like PChelp I'd already read them all. I subscribe to Bugtraq, I read news and security sites, sometimes before I even login to DSLR. This doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions about those news items by DSLR members. Those discussions are what I choose to read.
There are a lot of people who don't read all the news sites and don't read bugtraq, etc... and for them, the security forum has become the first point to get their information from. By making this forum more diverse we can only serve them. I'd love to see this forum become the home page for a lot of our members as the first point to get as much security related information as possible and I'm not planning to stop it.
Now The valid complaint: This forum is also about people getting answers to their problems. Some have complained that their questions are being pushed to the second and third page in this forum and as a result they remain unanswered, simply because people just don't go as far as page three or four to read everything. That is a valid complaint. As a result I'm going to ask that if you have 15 or 20 news items to post, simply either combine the related items into one thread or break them up into 3 or 4 groups and post them gradually. This will give the posts by others a decent chance to be viewed and responded to.
Another issue that some people are ignoring, is selective reading.  Read the items that interest you and leave the rest behind. If a thread doesn't gather enough interest, it simply goes to the second and third page in a matter of hours. The only reason some of those posts are still on the first page, is that they interest people enough to comment about them. You don't expect me to lock threads that gather interest, do you?
If you are only interested in dialogue on security matters, start a few. Nothing stops members from starting subjects that are of interest to them and want to see discussions about. If you don't want to start one, find one that interests you and participate and by doing so, you'll bring it to the top and may gather more interest. The discussions in this forum are the ones that people want to talk about and if they don't, the thread will disappear just as fast as it appeared in the first place. I can't tell people what they must be interested in. If it's security related, it belongs here. If people don't like it, it'll disappear. If it's unrelated, I'll make it disappear. 
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 Bobb5Premium
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Kent, WA
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Re: I don't come here to read The Register quote:
It's boring as hell. I come here for dialogue on security matters, not to be flooded with dozens of secondhand announcements of irrelevant news-mill material.
Thats to bad it's to to much info for you to disseminate, There is one way maybe, You pick & choose what you read? You don't have to read it all! What a concept, Huh?
There is afterall other people besides you who enjoy Information!
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 SarahPremium,ExMod 2002-05
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Re: Time for me to speak up. said by Wildcatboy:
There are a lot of people who don't read all the news sites and don't read bugtraq, etc... and for them, the security forum has become the first point to get their information from. By making this forum more diverse we can only serve them.
This is exactly why I read this forum - I am way too busy to read all of those sites, and yet I want (need) to know about various types of security issues ASAP. It is a wonderful thing for me to be able to pop in here a few (dozen) times during the day and make sure nothing is going on with some new virus, or to see an interesting story that I might want to tie into an upcoming article I'm writing, or if I need to get a new patch for Outlook, etc. People who can't deal with a fast forum need to try and figure it out before trying to ruin something that other people can use.
Maybe you could write to the New York Times and tell them that the articles they write are too difficult, and would they please make it simpler for you? Or please stop writing about things that you saw on TV last night because you have already heard about it? It's the same idea... taking away useful content to please people who don't want to take a little extra time to decide what they do and do not need to read.
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Re: I don't come here to read The Register Aw, Come on.
When I skim thru the titles, I generally skip most of them.
Not only in here, but other areas also.
I would estimate that I actually read less than 5% of them.
The majority of them are actually boring.
But I generally don't complain. I simply hit the back button and move on.
I don't complain even if the post are off the subject.
Enuff about me.
Now, in case anyone don't know, PcHelp has contributed an invaluable tool for tracing domains and IP addresses.
It has thought us a lot about how tracing works.
And what's more, it's (trace.bat) almost perfect.
PcHelp, we need you and your wisdom.
Please don't take a hiatus from us.
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 bluebaron2Stuff HappensPremium,Mod
join:2001-02-01
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As one of the average ( IMO ) readers of this forum, I use this forum as my primary source for security information. I lurk here on a daily basis, post only occasionally, but visit religiously. I appreciate the effort that other members make to assemble all these various articles. True there are days when there a lot of them, but there a lot of channels on the TV too, I don't have to watch every single one of them, I do have freedom of choice. Granted there can be the problem of the "news" posts pushing other posts right off the top page but WCB has a good suggestion about how to keep the sheer number of them under control. It would just take a little creativity on the "news" posters part to describe in the "Snappy Title" what his post contains. DSLR is a vast and varied community. We have members ranging across all ages , abilities and socio-economic strata. We all have to keep that in mind. This is "our" site not "my" site, and we all have to exercise a little tolerance when interacting with this cosmopolitan community. The diversity of DSLR is one of its strengths, not its weaknesses, IMHO.
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 RocktagonSlightly BentPremium
join:2000-11-04
Chattaroy, WA | reply to Wildcatboy
Re: Time for me to speak up. Actually a thumbs up to pchelp also. WCB's suggestion:
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As a result I'm going to ask that if you have 15 or 20 news items to post, simply either combine the related items into one thread or break them up into 3 or 4 groups and post them gradually.
Sounds reasonable to me. I have been known to post the occasional "news" item also. I also have used the site as my main source for security information regularly when I am to busy to read the "other" sites.
It is my homepage
I think we must learn moderation and combining multiple "news" posts sounds fair. The forum does move very quickly and occasionally important posts disappear.
In the words of an often incarcerated but wise man
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 jfgnet12 Step ProgramPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
Limbo | reply to pchelp7
Re: I don't come here to read The Register Why not try something like the hardware forum did, split into to sub groups
1- Security News and Reviews
2- General Internet Security Support
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So, where ya been Scooter?
I agree with you too WCB on what Rocktgon singled out.
I would not wish to see the Prolific Bunny caught in a wabbit twap and this is a fair and reasonable compromise.
May I be the first to welcome PCHELP back from his short but invigourating Hiatus now this has been sorted. We would all benefit from your return and you, I am sure would as well.
Friends???
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 FutureMonKeep your Mitts off RMoneyPremium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2000-10-05
Seaside, CA | reply to pchelp7
Not everyone is able to stay up to date (to the day) that something is announced.
I'm not speaking on my own behalf, but there are a lot of people who wait until they get "hit" with something to ask for help. I, for one, will not dismiss them just because it's old news to me...
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 vampirefo1Trojanhunter Rules
join:2002-01-16
Huntington, WV | reply to pchelp7
I didn't come here to read this thread !!!!!!!!!!! However I am here and reading it, I like Dslreports, because of all of the different people one gets to know here. We are all from different states, countries, races, backgrounds, and the list of differences goes on and on. But we can in most cases unite and help someone free of charge mind you, with their pc troubles.
As well as educate them on pc security, word news, security news, which most including myself only read from here. Why? you may ask well it can be debated here as to Whether or not, the article can hold water, or not. meaning did the author just write a bunch of junk and posted it on the net, Or is it real news, meaning, debatable and one can test the accuracy of the article.
I see, no reason to change Dslreports, just to suit you Pchelp, but I am sure you would like them to, simply humble yourself down to the level of the common man, and don't read what you don't want to read. In other worlds, don't ask what Dslreports can do for you, ask what you can do for Dslreports, Yes I know I borrowed that line. |
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ezebobPremium
join:2001-05-04
Ottawa, ON | reply to Wildcatboy
Re: Time for me to speak up. I agree with your observations completely.
If I may offer a possible alternative it would be to split the security forum into two
"security discussion" or "question/Comment"
and
"security News" or vulnerabilities or some other appropriate name.
This slight change, if possible would greatly enhance our ability so sift through all of the posts. I also receive many newsletters and most but no all of the posts I have already seen and read. There is always that one that I haven't read and most likely will be the one that bites me
on the butt. I welcome the posts, however with so many
holes being discovered, I'm sure every minute or less, the
number of posts become staggering and yes other posts will and do end up being pushed to the bottom.
Could this be done? What do you think?
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 HG Fegen$Johnny B. GoodePremium
join:2001-06-28
Scotland. UK | reply to pchelp7
Re: I don't come here to read The Register Hi
I am happy to see items that point to articles in The Register or any other informative source as I find this very helpful indeed at times. I do not read them all and sometimes I find that when I look at the particular news item or advisory I sometimes find it to be useful,or sometimes I find they are interesting but have little bearing for me (for example corporate security issues) others I find totally uninteresting. There are also those that are beyond by level of understanding.
No one is under any obligation to go and read any of these articles. For me the value of the security forum is that it is informative and helpful and that people at the various level of knowledge, expertise and understanding are all afforded the opportunity to read, think, ask and comment et cetera. Indeed, this very thread allows for all of that.
Regards
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said by pchelp:
It's boring as hell. I come here for dialogue on security matters, not to be flooded with dozens of secondhand announcements of irrelevant news-mill material.
I agree. I'm outta here.
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 bskuaredIt's Hip To Be SquarePremium
join:2001-12-02
San Clemente, CA | I like reading the news items. But, maybe a way to solve this would be to have a security news posting section - other forums have a "what's news" section much like the first page of DSLR. That way it could be referenced on the first page too
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Re: Time for me to speak up. Wildcatboy,
Your response is nicely measured and balanced. I came into the forum not long before Pchelp posted and I was confronted by a full page of topics which appeared to have been copied and pasted from various other sources. My Fav forums (4)fill a page and it was obvious that someone had trawled the web possibly hoping to create interest and promote discussion.
I found it to be a turn off as it was overdone and the evidence is back on page 4 (at the moment) with 1 out of 11 answered.
I doubt that it will happen again. I come here to learn and often from some poor unfortunate soul who has a PC losing files by the second in front of his eyes. They of course have my sympathy but it certainly concentrates my mind on security. Another reported hole in microsoft's products is no more exciting than "Ok where's the patch".
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 tke711Premium
join:2001-03-31
Everywhere | reply to Wildcatboy
WCB...just another "vote" for your idea of combining news stories into a couple of posts.
Like others have said, I don't always have time to read all the security sites on the web and find it useful to be able to read some of the articles here instead. And yes, DSLR is my home page.
Sure, some of the article are of no interest to me or are over my head but you know what? That's why IE, Opera, etc. have "back" buttons.
Personally, besides the change you suggested, I think the Security forum is great the way it is. It is the first and last place I go on every visit to DSLR. If it ain't broke, why fix it. Yes, some posts do get pushed down by news stories, but hopefully your suggestion can help minimize that.
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 HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
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Re: I don't come here to read The Register I've always wondered how someone gets soooo many posts. I assume this is in reference to the poster who has upward of 14000 to their credit !! I'm curious how much discussion all these posts have generated though...
I vote (or second a vote) to create a sub-folder for "Security-related news". I believe it was yesterday or the day before that possibly *every* article in the Security forum (in my FAVs view, shows ten normally, I think) was from one poster.
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