andrewsfm
join:2004-07-16
Toronto
| Throttling on Primus?
I noticed tonight that at 2AM exactly, my torrent speed suddenly jumped up from 50kb/sec to 200kb/sec. All day it's been below 50, and last night at 4AM it was around 200 as well.
We all know Bell throttles torrents, but I'm with Primus, and on a DSLAM in the CO.
I'm not sure if the DSLAM equipment I'm connected to is a Primus co-locate or rented from Bell.
What conditions have to be met to result in no throttle? |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | Primus does do their own traffic shaping but as I understand only when there is high peak usage.
»www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/3509/280/ |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | reply to andrewsfm
Also if you want to verify whether you are on a Bell DSLAM, create a new PPPoE login with the username "test@test" and password "test" If you can connect with that and get an internal IP Address then you are on a Bell DSLAM. |
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Ravage_D
join:2003-03-28
Kingston, ON
 ·Primus Telecommuni..
 ·Cogeco Voip
| reply to andrewsfm
It's my understanding that if you're in an area that offers Primus's triple bundle then you're on the Primus DSLAMS and there wont be any throttling...
Another indication is your speed. If you're getting 7Mbit chances are you're on the Primus DSLAM. This is just how it's been explained to me... |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | reply to andrewsfm
Regardless Primus has rolled out their own traffic shaping so yes even on a Primus DSLAM you will be shaped depending on traffic usage on that DSLAM. |
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throttle
@videotron.ca
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said by Ravage_D  :It's my understanding that if you're in an area that offers Primus's triple bundle then you're on the Primus DSLAMS and there wont be any throttling... Another indication is your speed. If you're getting 7Mbit chances are you're on the Primus DSLAM. This is just how it's been explained to me... This was true.
However, they started throttling afterwards.
Do a search in this forum for primus throttling. You will find it. |
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TBBPM
join:2009-02-09
| said by throttle :
This was true.
However, they started throttling afterwards.
Do a search in this forum for primus throttling. You will find it.
Please note that our traffic management is quite different from one employed by Bell. It kick in only if there is a bandwidth bottleneck and prioritize the time sensitive traffic like VoIP, gaming, etc., along with e-mail and browsing. |
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MrOrange
join:2009-04-20
| reply to andrewsfm
I can attest to the above poster. It is much different. I've been enjoying Primus at my location in Kitchener, which was unthrottled, then their QoS came in and I didn't notice much of a slow down.
Just moved to London on Primus again, and still no complaints. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada | reply to andrewsfm
Honestly, that's the kind of throttling I can agree with. Enough to ensure QoS, and only when QoS might be impacted if it weren't done. |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | Agreed, blanket throttling is just an excuse for poor network design, and/or the failure to monitor things properly and upgrade as needed.
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Broadline Networks Inc. |
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still a throttle
@videotron.ca
| reply to TBBPM
said by TBBPM :said by throttle :
This was true.
However, they started throttling afterwards.
Do a search in this forum for primus throttling. You will find it.
Please note that our traffic management is quite different from one employed by Bell. It kick in only if there is a bandwidth bottleneck and prioritize the time sensitive traffic like VoIP, gaming, etc., along with e-mail and browsing. So I guess Primus doesn't offer the type of service andrewsfm wants and expects. Or any user who uses it for downloading/uploading for that matter by the very statement you said.
Guess its good for only voip, gaming, e-mail and browsing?
I'll recommend it for the grandmothers I come across then (Well those that don't download anything).
Curious, is windows update throttled as well? Or is it considered time sensitive and not throttled?
andrewsfm, if you get a chance can you please tell us if MS-updates are throttled when you find that your torrents are throttled. I'd like to see an answer to this one for my curiosity. Thanks. |
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MrOrange
join:2009-04-20
| It's pretty sad you cannot see the difference in QoS and blanket throttling. I am with Primus and I download torrents often, or I did when I lived in Kitchener. I've just moved to London and chose Primus again, having lived in Kitchener I've never dipped below 150KBs unless it's a very badly populated torrent of course. It's rare I see it that low, only near dinner time, generally it's 400-700KBs at any given time depending on what I am doing.
I cannot comment for andrewsfm above, I don't know his situation. Perhaps he lives in a more congested area, torrent/seed quality was bad or low, or many other things. However if it's a result of Primus' QoS throttling that sucks and maybe Primus is not the best choice for him.
It's kind of immature to make silly comments on how it's only good for voip, gaming, etc. and recommending it to grandmothers. I mean, grow up.
Sure unthrottled would be preferred by everyone, however if it needs to be done, this is the way it should be done. It's no different then businesses and corporations that give certain data higher priority on a company network. |
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koreyb
join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON
·Primus Talkbroadband
·TekSavvy Solutions..
2 edits | reply to andrewsfm
You can do the triple bundle in BELL DSLAM areas to my understanding.. the cost is just higher.
If you have a 5mbps Connection rate, you are likely with Bell's DSLAM equipment which would be throttled.
Primus's approach to network management is much better and different than Bell's approach.. QoS is much more acceptable than flat out bias speed limits. |
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TBBPM
join:2009-02-09
| said by koreyb :You can do the triple bundle in BELL DSLAM areas to my understanding.. the cost is just higher. Correct, price is higher, less phone features and effects of Bell throttling. Still, in most cases, it will be better deal than competition.
Having my marketing hat on  |
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koreyb
join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON
·Primus Talkbroadband
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by TBBPM :said by koreyb :You can do the triple bundle in BELL DSLAM areas to my understanding.. the cost is just higher. Correct, price is higher, less phone features and effects of Bell throttling. Still, in most cases, it will be better deal than competition. Having my marketing hat on Only wish Primus did DRY DSL connections :P |
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TBBPM
join:2009-02-09
| said by koreyb :Only wish Primus did DRY DSL connections :P On our DSLAMs or Bell's? |
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Ravage_D
join:2003-03-28
Kingston, ON
·Primus Telecommuni..
·Cogeco Voip
1 edit | reply to andrewsfm
How would we even notice this throttling at all?
I mean, I can max out my connection on any Linux distribution torrent (840KB/s), at 9:00 PM on a weeknight...no problems.
I'm REALLY liking their service so far!
Also, is it truly unlimited? Or is there some form of soft cap I might hit if I download too much via USENET :P
I can't for the life of me find their usenet server info though... |
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TBBPM
join:2009-02-09
| said by Ravage_D :I'm REALLY liking their service so far! Also, is it truly unlimited? Or is there some form of soft cap I might hit if I download too much via USENET :P It is truly unlimited.... |
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HappyWithPrimus
@primus.ca
| reply to Ravage_D
said by Ravage_D :I can't for the life of me find their usenet server info though... news.primus.ca |
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someone
@primus.ca | news.primus.ca stopped working a few days ago (the DNS lookup doesn't work anymore)... I wonder if they cancelled their usenet service? |
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