decx
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Vancouver, BC | Canada's slipping position on net access cost & speed
Here is Geist latest article in the Star on Canada's continuing drop on net access rankings and poor outlook.
»www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/643388 |
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Chuck Carlson
@bell.ca | It's sad to see that Canada has slipped lower than India on a price per megabyte rate. If you take throttling into account Canada would be below the chart literally falling off the edge of the world ranking dead last by-light years. |
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AkFubar
Resistance is Futile
join:2005-02-28
Toronto Can. | reply to decx
Good article...helps us with our cause too. Easy to read for most. Good to see some light cast on these issues in a public forum like the Star.
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
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quote:
Internet users in Japan, Korea and France enjoy a genuinely different Internet experience, where the far-faster speeds allows for applications and services that have yet to make their mark in Canada.
'Nuff said...
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El Quintron
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Etobicoke, ON
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·Acanac
| The most telling item that should be brought to the CRTCs attention is the following:
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Canada ranks 28th out of 30 countries, ahead of only Mexico and Poland. This may be the most telling metric, since it confirms that Canadians pay more for less.
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by El Quintron  :The most telling item that should be brought to the CRTCs attention is the following: quote:
Canada ranks 28th out of 30 countries, ahead of only Mexico and Poland. This may be the most telling metric, since it confirms that Canadians pay more for less.
But Bell said they NEED the extra money from bandwidth overage charges to upgrade the network. I mean we're not economic powerhouses like Mexico or Poland, we can't expect to have better than third-world level connectivity without overage charges and caps. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | LOL |
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Not LOLing
@rogers.com | I would LOL too were it not for this sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach. |
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El Quintron
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Etobicoke, ON
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·Acanac
| said by Not LOLing :
I would LOL too were it not for this sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach.
You and me both... the amounts of bile I emit due to the worsening state of the internet in Canada is gonna shorten my lifespan for sure.
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | reply to decx
28th really? And we're supposed to be close to the US? We should just call ourselves a third world country! |
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DrZEUS
join:2004-01-13
Mississauga, ON | reply to decx
the sad part is it feels like there is nothing we can do and simply accept our fate as an ailing nation who no longer is the envy of others |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by DrZEUS :the sad part is it feels like there is nothing we can do and simply accept our fate as an ailing nation who no longer is the envy of others There is a possibility that GlobalLive (the new cell carrier) could shake things up a bit in Q4-2009/Q1-2010.
»networkfineprint.com/index.php?t···Wireless
There was a leaked presentation on Howard Forums (may be real, may be a marketing move) that implied they will have a 10Mbps wireless network with 30 GB data plans for $40 per month.
If true, that could really mess with internet delivery in Canada. Why buy a DSL connection at 5Mbps when you can get a 10Mbps wireless connection for the same price, granted with a 30GB cap. I'd buy it.
Regardless of the details, if wired connections continue to suck with this sort of magnitude, there is a good chance a cell carrier could step in and take over. HSPA can do 14Mbps down and 6Mbps up, that kicks Bells ass. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| You'll note that the 30GB plan is actually "unlimited", so there's no option to purchase anything above 30GB (which could be an issue). There's also an extra $5 fee to tether.
The cellular networks can't support very many high-bandwidth users. Services like Rogers RocketStick (advertised as 7.2mbit) have very low bandwidth caps (5GB max) because it's a cellular service; the amount of bandwidth in any given area is extremely limited.
The same will be true for GlobaLive. Cellular networks can't be used to deploy home broadband due to insufficient bandwidth (it's all shared). Even LTE (4G) can't provide enough for home broadband.
As such, cellular-based internet service will remain a high-priced mobile-oriented solution. |
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decx
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join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC
·Bell Sympatico
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The real problem I see isn't that our current predicament is bad, it's that there's no really solution to the problems being implemented in the foreseeable future. While other countries are busy implementing FTTH or similar last mile connectivity, Canadian providers are busy implementing DPI based throttling, and usage based billing. While the world is going in one direction, Canada isn't following slowly behind, we're practically going the opposite direction. |
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Livadia
join:2007-12-18
Canada
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said by DrZEUS :the sad part is it feels like there is nothing we can do and simply accept our fate as an ailing nation who no longer is the envy of others That ended in late '80s up to mid '90s with slashing and burning everything. Most often, government policies do not have any obvious impact until years later. By then, people will have forgotten what brought them there. That allows those cretins to continue governing with the only concern what the polls will say the next day.
OTOH, why blame them? People get the government they deserve, right? |
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Maynard G Krebs
@teksavvy.com
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The government and the CRTC's position is basically that of trying to protect a dying market concept, that of a monolithic carrier & content provider.
The bulk of the rest of the OECD countries are or are moving towards real common carrier networks and FTTP.
Canada's current position is as futile as trying protect buggy whip manufacturers from the impact of the automobile. |
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El Quintron
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Etobicoke, ON
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said by Livadia :OTOH, why blame them? People get the government they deserve, right? I know but I wish I didn't have to live with the government these other people so richly deserve.
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Davesnothere
@teksavvy.com
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said by Guspaz :As such, cellular-based internet service will remain a high-priced mobile-oriented solution. But you can rest assured that Bell and the other cell providers will find a way to fudge the numbers to influence many folks to overlook the cost in favour of the functionality.
And if Bell also gets the cost of DSL service up enough due to UBB and any other ways of raising its price, the wireless plans will not seem as different, even to those who DO compare the numbers, and some customers will migrate anyway, yes ?
Hmmmm.... |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| That doesn't change the fact that cellular service is an inherently shared medium. You've got a VERY small amount of bandwidth in any given place, and everybody has to share it.
LTE (4G) is ~82mbit per 5MHz of spectrum. HSDPA (3.5G) is (as far as I can tell) up to ~7mbit per 5MHz of spectrum (although Rogers' 7.2mbit service is only ~3.6mbit per 5MHz of spectrum).
Many of these companies have only like 10 or 20 MHz of spectrum to play with. So with current 3.5G networks they can expect to push no more than roughly 14mbit/s among ALL customers in any given cell.
Even though LTE pushes it way up, that's still not enough for widespread fixed broadband deployment. It might be OK for getting into that a bit, with perhaps some low-bandwidth fixed offerings, but not enough to go nuts with it. |
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23
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la HERO TACO BELL
"the lil mexican dog form da taco bell commercials just ran past canada today for faster net access"
....while throttled tests showed it was faster to use a note attached to the lil dog rather then send something via BCE's back bone. |
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