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Re: Our local ICE team doesn't care if you are a cop
That's the second Calgary officer facing similar charges. The other one was convicted of possessing child porn.
»www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta···sun.html
Blake, is this line of work anything like firefighting, which attracts those dedicated to helping others but also unfortunately attracts arsonists? Or is this more of an anomaly, or is there no clear answer? Thanks. |
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| One of the reasons why I couldn't be a cop is when you have to deal with all the stuff they deal with day in and day out you can become a little desensitized and the line between right and wrong can become a little blurry so it takes real effort sometimes to maintain that line.
This is really a rare case as was the other one and Calgary has excellent cops, very professional and well trained both in technique and in dealing with people. The ICE group is a crack multi-agency investigative unit involving the Province of Alberta, the RCMP and Calgary, Edmonton, Lethbridge, and Medicine Hat Police Services which has two main objectives:
1.Find, investigate and arrest people who prowl chat rooms looking to exploit children for sex.
2.Find, investigate and arrest people who are trading child pornography.
and has been involved in cracking a number of major global pedophile rings and such and in short are just dam good at hunting the hunter.
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Follow up story: »www.sj-r.com/archive/x529237277/···-in-jail
2nd follow up story: »www.sj-r.com/archive/x313654536/···fighters
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said by Link Logger  :One of the reasons why I couldn't be a cop is when you have to deal with all the stuff they deal with day in and day out you can become a little desensitized and the line between right and wrong can become a little blurry so it takes real effort sometimes to maintain that line. I have to gently argue this point. There is no reason for an adult Law Enforcement Officer to blur the line between a consenting adult and a minor child of any age. There is no room for that kind of blur in this job title.
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| said by linicx :There is no room for that kind of blur in this job title. Well, there probably should be. Most of us would distinguish somehow between the sexual assault of a four year old, and a gal willingly fooling around a month before she turns 18.
I'm not sure how one codifies it, but it's hard to call them "the same thing".
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| said by Steve :said by linicx :There is no room for that kind of blur in this job title. Well, there probably should be. Most of us would distinguish somehow between the sexual assault of a four year old, and a gal willingly fooling around a month before she turns 18. I'm not sure how one codifies it, but it's hard to call them "the same thing". Steve The problem is they are both minor children in the eyes of the law until the second they attain majority age. It makes no difference if they were 4 or 17 years, 29 days, 23 hour old; neither is old enough to consent. They wee both minors in the eyes of the law. IF the cop believed she would be majority age in one month, he should have left the chat room for 31 days. But, just like a hungry fish, he took the bait and got caught.
Is the act toward one more horrific than the other? Sure it is, but it does not change the law or the facts. The cop was not looking for a consenting adult. He was looking for a child. .
Cops are supposed to serve and protect the public. The law didn't blur and neither did the cop. He knew what he was doing when he sat down at the computer.
The two pedophiles I knew both said the same thing. "I don't ______ children." The father said, "I would kill any guy who touched my daughter."
His brother and father were pedophiles and he was raped when he was a child by his uncle. His brother was in jail for the same thing when the father was arrested.
Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated and they can't be put in general population in prison. You would be surprised how fast these two grabbed a bible and started quoting. And in X years they will be back in society doing the same thing until they die. Hopefully it will be soon.
The saddest part of this story is every one of these adult men with adult urges had an adult choice they did not make.
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this was just sent to me, & i too know him & he is an outstanding police officer. he eats, sleeps & breathes the police force . he has received many commendations for his dedication to the citizens of calgary. you CANNOT lump a 4 year old & a 17 year old in the same category. it's like a speeding ticket. if you are caught doin 55 in a 50, your ticket (if you get one) will be far less, than if you were doin 100 in a 50. this young man is NOT a pedophile & it saddens me to know that he is being treated as one. who's doin the luring here? he rejected the offer of this "girl" sending him pics, until she was of age. this "girl" repeatedly lured him into sayin yes. who's the stalker here? how is the law that he COULD have sexual relations with a 16 year old, but not allowed to possess a picture of a 17 year old, fair? if he would have met this "girl" at a party & had sex with her, that would have been ok. a pedophile would not wait until the fall to ask for a picture, like it was stated in the news. if he was a REAL pedophile, would he have said that? it's unfortunate that he will loose everything thing he has worked so hard for, over one line in a conversation. if you do something right, no one remembers, you do something wrong, no one forgets. he does NOT deserve this Crucifixion. they are going after the wrong guy & the city of calgary will loose a great police officer. |
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| Fortunately we have a legal system and he will get his day in court, however I will say the ICE team is pretty diligent in their efforts and investigations so the trial should prove interesting.
As a follow up to another case against another local retire officer and child porn:
»www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/···sun.html
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Former Calgary cop Steve Huggett had no legitimate reason for collecting child porn, a judge said yesterday in sentencing him to nine months in jail.
Provincial court Judge Barb Veldhuis rejected Huggett's claim he was only keeping the material as part of an ongoing, clandestine investigation to stamp out child pornography.
Veldhuis noted Huggett, a 25-year veteran of the Calgary Police Service, never attempted to pass on information to superiors, or other investigators.
Again let me say I think Calgary has one of the best and most professional police departments going and every interaction I've had with them has left me suitably impressed.
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kelseysmom,
You plead an eloquent case. The elephant in the room is the law. He was the adult. She was a child. The law calls this pedophilia. The fine points of this case have yet to be litigated.
This poor misunderstood cop would not be the only man in the world that let testosterone over-ride good judgement, an unblemished career, a marriage with children, public service, the rule of law or good intentions.
He did.
When he clicked 'send' he opened a can of worms that probably ruined his own career. Worst scenario is the case is dismissed and so is he. What kind of a job is an ex-cop with a reputation of a "pedophile" going to get? Who will employ him? What is is life worth? Cops hate pedophiles as much as cons do. You cannot put them in general prison population. And regardless of where he moves, there will always be someone who remembers the Internet story.
The repercussion is not a lot different than the people who genuinely believe Obama is a Muslim and his Birth Certificate from Hawaii is a fake. .
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| said by linicx : The law calls this pedophilia. It does so incorrectly: it's actually ephebophilia.
I think most of us see a material difference between sexual attraction to a 5 year old, and to a 17 year old. |
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