superdog
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| Wholesale bandwidth from Comcast in PA
Does anyone here have any experience buying bandwidth from Comcast?. I am not sure where to even inquire about it?. The reason I ask is that I am trying to purchase a 10 or 20Mb circuit and their network footprint covers most of the areas I currently service, so build out costs should be low?.
All of these facts are irrelevant if they do not sell to other ISP's or their bandwidth is not allowed to be resold?.
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15 | The only way to do it legally is to buy it through Megapath - they have an agreement with Comcast. |
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iansltx
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| Correct me if I'm wrong, but MegaPath does cable stuff with Comcast, not symmetric fiber like Superdog is talking about. I'd assume they'd be similar to Time Warner Cable in this aspect; you'd just have to look at Metro Ethernet or something to that effect. Pretty sure that's out of MegaPath's league. |
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superdog
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| Megapath does sell Metro E. I was unaware of Megapaths association with Comcast I was hoping that somehow Comcast got inline with the times and started to sell bandwidth. Since they want to be in the telephone game like Verizon and be a one stop shop for TV, internet and everything else, why not wholesale bandwidth?.
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superdog
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| reply to delmarvawifi
said by delmarvawifi  :The only way to do it legally is to buy it through Megapath - they have an agreement with Comcast. I tried to get a quote from Megapath quite awhile back, and their price for Metro Ethernet was quite high because of their proposed loop length. That makes me believe they do not have rights to access Comcast networks in my area?.
I also had a CO called Telcove price out a 10/10Mb fiber drop for me awhile back. The build out to my location was horrendous, even though their fiber was like 3 blocks away because a section of it had to go underground. Telcove was bought by Level 3 recently, but that shouldn't make the build out price any different.
I was just thinking Comcast because of their huge network foot print and their stuff is hanging on the pole at the end of my yard. Perhaps my thinking is off and I welcome any thoughts, facts or opinions about what I am trying to do?.
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15
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I didn't realize you were asking about a symmetrical circuit. Megapath is a reseller for Comcast Cable. We had a Comcast fiber circuit down in Salisbury Maryland for some student housing. It was the most unreliable connection and every time it went hard down they just pointed the finger back at us instead of dispatching a tech and they were Never able to maintain the speeds, especially upload, that was required in the contract. If memory serves me correctly that were charging $2500 per month for a 15/15. I don't believe there were any limitations on what we could/could not do with it. There were also quirky things like their equipment had to lock to the MAC address of our router so there was no changing equipment on the fly. I remember one outage where that was a major point of contention. We had a Cisco router struck by lightening and for THREE, thats correct, THREE days they were in complete denial that they needed to program their switch with the Router's MAC address. |
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scooby
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Comcast does sell bandwidth. I am not sure what their minimum commit is but there are many web hosting/colo companies using them.
FDCServers.net has 60gbps to Comcast
I cannot remember the name of the other hosting company I used but they had something like 10gbps to Comcast as well. |
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cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
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It all depends on construction costs. I have 2 5mbit EDIS metro-e circuits from them, and another one in process. 5mbit can be had for ~$700-$900 on a 5 year term. 10mbit can be had for $850-$1200. Those numbers are if the construction costs are decent, but the cost is rolled in, plus around $500-$1000 up front. I have 3 sites in denver and 4 in atlanta where construction costs are a problem right now. The 3 in dever where going to be almost 50k a piece for construction, so its not worth it there for my lower bandwidth requirement, but if you are getting huge circuits with high MRC's then things may go differently.
Get ahold of a local sales person, ask for a fiber survey for the site, then they will get you a quote. You should be able to tell somewhat yourself how close the fiber splice point is. ALso if you have conduit to the curb from your equipment room that will help things. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to superdog
They do indeed do MetroE; otherwise you wouldn't see hosting places like FDCServers and SoftLayer purchasing obscene amounts of bandwidth from those guys... |
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superdog
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| reply to delmarvawifi
said by delmarvawifi :I didn't realize you were asking about a symmetrical circuit. No problem
said by delmarvawifi :If memory serves me correctly that were charging $2500 per month for a 15/15. I don't believe there were any limitations on what we could/could not do with it. That's kind of an ugly price?. In our business, it isn't a problem to bring in big circuits with microwave, so perhaps your build out price was ugly and they were rapping you for it?. I have no problem doing a hop or two if it means saving some big $$$
said by delmarvawifi :There were also quirky things like their equipment had to lock to the MAC address of our router so there was no changing equipment on the fly. I remember one outage where that was a major point of contention. We had a Cisco router struck by lightening and for THREE, thats correct, THREE days they were in complete denial that they needed to program their switch with the Router's MAC address. That really sucks. No way to spoof the MAC? (Not a Cisco geek?)
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superdog
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| reply to cooldude9919
said by cooldude9919 :It all depends on construction costs. I have 2 5mbit EDIS metro-e circuits from them, and another one in process. I take it that you are happy with your service? (You are ordering more so I would have to assume?). I have a hard time trying to swallow the fact that a gazillion P2P users are also flowing over the same network and their throttling methods are less than stellar. Granted, I would hope that any bandwidth I buy would not be subject to that crap and I would get priority routing, but today, one never knows, especially with a small commit?.
said by cooldude9919 :Get ahold of a local sales person, ask for a fiber survey for the site, then they will get you a quote. You should be able to tell somewhat yourself how close the fiber splice point is. ALso if you have conduit to the curb from your equipment room that will help things. Another thing that makes me nervous is the fact that hybrid fiber coax only has a finite amount of bandwidth per mux, so if their box is maxxed out with a ton of residential users and channels for TV on that node, will they be honest and tell me or will they just go ahead and sell it anyway and hope for the best?.
Verizon has also started installing FIOS on the block my NOC is on, so perhaps I should wait and see what they can do for me?, or maybe they won't do anything and it would be a waste of time to wait?.
Thanks gang for all the input, you are all a bunch of life savers!
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cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
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| said by superdog :said by cooldude9919 :It all depends on construction costs. I have 2 5mbit EDIS metro-e circuits from them, and another one in process. I take it that you are happy with your service? (You are ordering more so I would have to assume?). I have a hard time trying to swallow the fact that a gazillion P2P users are also flowing over the same network and their throttling methods are less than stellar. Granted, I would hope that any bandwidth I buy would not be subject to that crap and I would get priority routing, but today, one never knows, especially with a small commit?. said by cooldude9919 :Get ahold of a local sales person, ask for a fiber survey for the site, then they will get you a quote. You should be able to tell somewhat yourself how close the fiber splice point is. ALso if you have conduit to the curb from your equipment room that will help things. Another thing that makes me nervous is the fact that hybrid fiber coax only has a finite amount of bandwidth per mux, so if their box is maxxed out with a ton of residential users and channels for TV on that node, will they be honest and tell me or will they just go ahead and sell it anyway and hope for the best?. Verizon has also started installing FIOS on the block my NOC is on, so perhaps I should wait and see what they can do for me?, or maybe they won't do anything and it would be a waste of time to wait?. Thanks gang for all the input, you are all a bunch of life savers! lets not forget the edis metro e is a true business class product. None of this "business" cable modem suff. Also keep in mind comcast has their own backbone.
Your traffic wont be shaped or throttled or anything for that matter.
i think you may be a little off on how the fiber is connected. From what ive seen (charter here) they run fiber to a splice point (circular black thing hanging down off pole lines if the run is aerial) which is normally close to a node. We have a node/spolice point 1 block from our office where we have charter fiber. At the splice point is a ~6/12/24 count of fiber that our office is spliced into, the node uses a pair, anyone else around that has it uses a pair. That run is direct back to the head end. We dont share anything with the node but proximity.
call comcast up and get a fiber survey done. It may not be cost effective to do it, but you dont know till you try. Use the comming fios as leverage to try to get a better price from comcast if the construction comes back ok.
we where really happy with the 2 sites we turned up. they sent out a status email every week or 2 to keep us in the loop. From signature of contract to turn up was right around 90 days which is pretty good(they say 60 or 90 to 120 days) |
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superdog
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| Thanks for all the great advice!.  
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