cypherstream
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1 edit | Why is IE8 the absolute worst at the acid3 browser test?
Out of the 4 browsers I have installed on my laptop, IE8 is the absolute worst at rendering the acid3 browser test. It's so unbelievably horrible, that I can't fathom how IE8 was released. It doesn't even come in at 50%!
What's up with that? No wonder people complain about IE page rendering. I mostly use Chrome and Firefox, but was hoping at least IE8 would stand a chance. Nope, sorry Microsoft, I'll continue to use Chrome and Firefox thank you very much. |
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mike31mets
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| Not sure why. I've actually been afraid to upgrade to IE8 on my machine. I use FireFox primarily, but on the off chance that I need to use IE I want to make sure it works so I haven't upgraded yet.
Btw I upgraded to FF3.5 and got the same score on the acid test. I would have figured it would have been higher. I assume you're using 3.0.x still? |
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Perhaps that's the magic of open source (Safari & Chrome use WebKit). IE's rendering engine is somewhat an integral part of Windows and some commercial software may run or require it, so they also have to keep compatibility, no other company has to worry about such things with their browsers. |
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BillRoland
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"Microsoft, developers of the Internet Explorer browser, said that Acid3 does not map to the goal of Internet Explorer 8 and that IE8 would improve only some of the standards being tested by Acid3.[20] IE8 scores 20/100 and has some problems with rendering the Acid3 test page."
Taken from this page: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3 so take it with a grain of salt.
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All,
So, the bottom line meaning of these test scores is what?
When you score 20 of 100 in an IQ test, what does that tell you about yourself? In my view, it likely, tells you little to nothing. If such a test score would be meaningful, all we would need to do it to take a test to determine our worth. Won't happen! BTW, it tells you you scored 20 out of 100.
Here is what one person has to say about th Acid3 test:
There is more to webbrowsing than passing the artificial Acid3 test. Sure it is nice, but it does not tell us anything about the browsing experience. Is it fast? Is it smooth? Does it support handy plugins? Tabs? Does it crash? And if so, does it remember where I was? How secure is it? How easy are bookmarks, history, etc to use? And so on.
There are many, many aspects that are, IMHO, far more important than passing any Acid test.
There is always more to a story than meets the eye.
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cypherstream
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said by mike31mets  :Btw I upgraded to FF3.5 and got the same score on the acid test. I would have figured it would have been higher. I assume you're using 3.0.x still? Yeah this is FF3.5. I just downloaded it and it prompted me to try the ACID3 test on all of my installed browsers.
Why is it important? Maybe so websites look like they are supposed to look? Well, doesn't matter to me, I use Chrome or FF. I rarely venture into IE unless there is some active-x IE required site. |
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I notice from your screen shot that IE8 wants to run the Acid3 page in Compatibility Mode. I wonder if that would make any difference in its score? To try it, just click on the broken page icon (next to the "refresh" icon) in IE8 and then refresh the page. |
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cypherstream
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| No, it's even worse! |
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Oregonian
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Airwolf
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So, don't use it then. Your choice.
I don't have a problem using it. |
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cypherstream
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| I don't. Was just curious how a browser by such a huge organization doesn't follow web standards.
I just had a user today call with an IE7 issue downloading a PDF "Internet Explorer Cannot Download - No such interface supported". Put Firefox 3.5 on her machine and everything was fixed. End user didn't mind because they use FF at home.
Also get calls about IE freezing. FF always fixes it. Our company would go 100% firefox if it wasn't for a few activex based web applications. |
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| said by cypherstream :Was just curious how a browser by such a huge organization doesn't follow web standards. M$ makes their own "standards" and doesn't really care what anyone else does. |
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as mentioned by others ie is concerned with backwards compatabilty. I use ie for just one site these days, ( yeh it's my bank's. scary huh?). No other browser will render it correctly. web standards are great, but if the web masters of a given site don't support them you are s.o.l. |
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ScottMo
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said by Freddy :... So, the bottom line meaning of these test scores is what? When you score 20 of 100 in an IQ test, what does that tell you about yourself? In my view, it likely, tells you little to nothing. If such a test score would be meaningful, all we would need to do it to take a test to determine our worth. Won't happen! BTW, it tells you you scored 20 out of 100.. Not to derail the thread, but if one scored a 20 on an IQ test that tells them they're a dumb as a brick, but they probably wouldn't understand (assuming the person was honest and trying to do their best). Nearly 99% of people score over a 65 on IQ tests. A better IQ analogy would be that a 130 score doesn't mean much. It puts one in the top 2%, but can't measure all the other intangibles that go into being "smart". |
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cmcasey79
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I always to love that "experts" put firefox on a system to "fix" internet explorer crashing or having an issue. If i took my car to a mechanic because it wasn't running right, and he gave me a different car back, i wouldn't be very impressed.
The ACID tests look for certain functionality, that is geared more towards the future than now. It would be great for IE to do better, but that's not a current goal. Even if IE8 scored 100, if websites coded with the features tested by ACID3, anyone using an older browser (firefox 1,2, IE6, IE7, etc...) wouldn't be able to see the site correctly either. If someone wanted to build a small site for themselves, that may work, but any major site has to consider what their audience will be using. Can you imagine if a site like cnn.com didn't work properly in IE7?
It is going to be increasingly difficult to get "new" web standards, because many people don't like or want to upgrade their browsers. Perhaps in 3-4 years IE6 will finally be out of the mainstream, but even then IE7 will probably still be around in relatively big numbers.
I've read MS team blogs saying IE8,5 or IE9 (whatever they call it) will focus more on new "standards", so hopefully it will score better. When you have a huge majority of marketshare though, you kind of become the "standard" that people have to code for i guess.
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| said by cmcasey79 :I always to love that "experts" put firefox on a system to "fix" internet explorer crashing or having an issue. If i took my car to a mechanic because it wasn't running right, and he gave me a different car back, i wouldn't be very impressed. Amen.
I yearn for the days when MS went at it alone and developed their own standards. I wish Mozilla has the cahones to do that and then open source their work. The web exploded and all sorts of new neat things were developed. What have we gotten since MS was smacked by the regulatory agencies? A crappier JVM, Flash everything, and a horribly slow Javascript implementation. All in the name of "standards." I wish someone would take the ball and run with it, standards be damned.
While Firefox is a great browser (and it's my primary, I detest IE7 and IE8) it hasn't brought anything new to the table. Yay, we have an alternative to IE, yay it has neat plugins, but other than that, nada. It hasn't changed the web landscape one iota and I would argue has slowed progress down. There is a reason Google developed Chrome ...
Anyway, here's a good comparison of IE8, Chrome and FF 3.5 and how they stack up when run through the various tests out there: »www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43050/140 (If you don't want to read it, IE8 finishes dead last in every test, and Chrome and FF 3.5 trade the rest back and forth.) |
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| Mozilla does have the "cahones" as you put it... they are open source. You can wibble here to get it; »https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Downloa···rce_Code . To bad Microsoft does not have the same "cahones". The only crappier JVM you got was because of Microsoft's bastardizations, it had nothing to do with regulatory agencies. |
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Matt
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urbanriot
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St Catharines, ON | reply to cypherstream
When other companies offer their own .ADM files for Group Policies in corporate environments that work well, maybe then I'll be concerned about Acid test results. Until then, I'll continue to deploy IE8 for clients and use Chrome at home. |
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chachazz
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Because Microsoft is not a "standards" kinda company...  |
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