rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
 ·Acanac
| Bell Internet Max 16 Fibre. is it really maxed ?
Hi,
I have availability to this Fibre network, and I'm about 1km from the C.O. in downtown Ottawa area.
It would be mostly shared between 3 to 4 Internet users.
I realize with throttling,... the 1Meg up/16 Meg down won't be a reality but is it still fairly good ?, stable ?, ...?
I'm pondering about getting it, and would appreciate any constructive feedback from anyone who has this Bell Max Fibre 10/16.
thanks all.
Rick. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | this will be a waste of your money you will be throttled for a good portion ofthe day and makes this offering... well pointless
go with teksavvy.com and get mlppp option, at least you get what you pay for |
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Harleyguy
join:2008-02-01
Waterdown, ON
| reply to rik
said by rik  :Hi, I have availability to this Fibre network, and I'm about 1km from the C.O. in downtown Ottawa area. It would be mostly shared between 3 to 4 Internet users. I realize with throttling,... the 1Meg up/16 Meg down won't be a reality but is it still fairly good ?, stable ?, ...? I'm pondering about getting it, and would appreciate any constructive feedback from anyone who has this Bell Max Fibre 10/16. thanks all. Rick. Dont let the Fibre term fool you. Its fibre in the co or fibre to the remote. After that, its copper to your modem.
Max 10/16 is a crap shoot, it will either work or it will work poorly. Feedback is useless as each circumstance is different. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | thats correct you the end user only see copper
fiber is a play of words, id hope theyd use fiber for adsl2+ hardware would be very stupid not to... |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
1 edit | said by Angelo_ :thats correct you the end user only see copper fiber is a play of words, id hope theyd use fiber for adsl2+ hardware would be very stupid not to... Fiber to the JWI is still better then no fiber at all...
But if really lives at 1KM from the CO... he doesn't even need fiber optic to acheive 16MBPS... just the right slam. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| i dont see a point f 16megs on bell when you got dpi..
bell needs to roll out a ultra cheap $10 option where i can surf and check email at 1 meg...
gone are the days when paying for broadband was worth it. It'll take bell a few years to realize what they have done. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| nice thanks Angelo.
I guess I was pipe-dreaming again being it was Canada Day when I was thinkin about gettin' this Max 16
-it looks good though on their web page.
a couple more questions:
Aren't the CO's already Fibred? -Its been years since I worked for Bell
-I guess they don't actually put you on Fibre from their CO to your telephone pole ? or do they ?
How about puttin up Fibre from pole -> demarcation point(into house). anyone tried that?
In the meantime, I'll try n talk with their lying sales reps to find out.
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Yes I agree finally that, gone are the Days when we were #1 BW country and the mighty Bell and Nortel could have Fibre'ized all the urban areas. We are just junk now compared to many other countries as far as bang per buck goes Internet-wise.
Happy BellCanada Day
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grayfox
join:2007-12-10
Whitby, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to rik
Its just fiber to the node nothing to get excited about. They just run fiber to the remote, If your 1KM From the co this service could be done from the co (Assuming it has adsl2 hardware) and it would give you the same user experience, Also most if not all co's are already running off fiber. |
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Harleyguy
join:2008-02-01
Waterdown, ON
| reply to rik
Aren't the CO's already Fibred? -Its been years since I worked for Bell
"Not all of them are wired for Fslam or CO oslam"
-I guess they don't actually put you on Fibre from their CO to your telephone pole ? or do they ?
"No they dont, but if they did, Bell would be #1 DSL provider"
How about puttin up Fibre from pole -> demarcation point(into house). anyone tried that?
"Cost prohibative and will not provide better DSL" |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to rik
for all those telling us how advanced other countries are, in the DSLR news are reports that BT (in the UK) is just introducing FTTN/FTTC technology. (Fibre to the node/cabinet/curb etc).
In general due to the layout of the phone network in the UK and population concentration, they've had higher speeds on direct CO connections than here in N. America so haven't bothered with FTTN until now. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON | ahh ok, that explains why my buddy in London now says "na na na na na"
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| reply to grayfox
I just phoned Bell and asked to speak to a Bell Technician (not salesman) regarding Max16 and my availability in my area. K1L5Y3.
He did the line test from whatever tool they use and said I have 17 Meg capable fibre connection..."
I asked him as direct as I could regarding Fibre from C.O. to my pole ? yes or no ?
He explained that the C.O.'s are indeed fibred, (FTTN ?)..., and that "...my area recently(as of 7 months ago) now has fibre to the telphone pole..."
I find this odd, because this is Vanier and my house is like 100 years old and the telephone poles look even older
however, carrying on,...
ok, he wouldn't really say "YES", and it may have been just the NewDehli-sales-dance as even the Techs today may be told by Bell to say ? I dunno, anyway no disrespect intended to anyone plz. -just Bell sales.
Sorry, I'm a bit new to all this FTTN, I do know that when I had a dedicated Dry-Lopp setup by Bell last year they tested my line at around +8Mbps, now its technically 17 Mbps.
-I appreciate all the info from all you guys so far.
its very helpful.
bottom-line:
Being that there will be now 3 to 4 of us sharing this (and the young one loves downloading Movies all the time ....and now me too.) -this is why I'm thinkin about it.
But, as some have honestly mentioned, bottom-line the 100 Gig limit and more than "obvious" throttling practices by Bell may keep this prohibitive to me -not sure yet.
"Well, go Find out the hard way..." -as dad used to say.
chers
Rick. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| Now I'm curious;
I phoned them back again, and Bell explained that for my Max 16 that I don't need a Modem, just a Router ?
ok, now I'm confused. ?
Does this mean a few hundred meters from my house there is a wireless relay box or something. ?
FTTN is "...to the curb..." but that obvisouly depends on situational physical characteristics of the particular setup in my area.
Is this all true?
-I gotta hone-up on my networkin', man I really feel behind the times now |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| This is fibre to some pole near you where it drops to a remote box that has DSLAMs in it for ADSL2+.
FTTN Fibre to the node has lots of variant names ... Fibre to the pole, Fibre to the curb, Fibre to the neighbourhood, Fibre to the street. Usually it's all the same thing. It's fibre to a remote where they combine many DSL customers together all who are within distance for the speed advertised, and sends it all up a fibre to the CO.
You DO need a modem ... one that is ADSL2+ compliant ... and Bell's Modem-Router combos are just such devices.
The problem you're suffering is the typical lack of real knowledge of the Bell folks in call centres. |
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dbsanfte
join:2005-03-15
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to rik
This is a tad offtopic, but it came to mind while reading this thread.
Facts:
1) Fiber has insane bandwidth, only really dependent on the equipment you have on each end.
2) Most drops to houses include at least two copper pairs.
3) A DSL modem could be made that could bond these two pairs automagically in a way that a large ISP could deploy. In fact, some are, and if they were mass-ordered, they'd fit the bill for...
4) 48Mbps bonded ADSL2+ would compete reasonably with what DOCSIS 3.0 is bringing down the pipes. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| reply to sbrook
k, thanks sbrook.
as usual, I've learned more on this forum about isp stuff than I have talking direct with their suppliers.
anyway, I've been hunting around reading more on these forums, and one fella had 22Meg capable line test and yet he only got 10 15 Meg total, and he was really close to the CO, so it looks like my 17Meg(max line test only) blah blah will probably end up a lot worse, then again, like everyone said its tooo situational to really answer someone by saying oh ya MAX is great -get it.
that is definitely NOT always true.
I still hope for this fibre potential gets a lot better though-as everyone does, but for now maybe another separate acanac connection for the kids will also do just fine. Its cheap enough that they can pay for it themselves.  |
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dbsanfte
join:2005-03-15
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| Get an ST516, you can use DMT to adjust your SNR and boost your speed to your liking. I was able to squeeze an extra 2Mbits out of an interleaved line by lowering the snr from 9 to 4, with no effect on line stability (obviously this depends on your line). |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| right now, I've got an ST780 ('cause we have acanac 3rd-paty VOIP as well), but with 2 more heavy users a bigger pipe might be needed.
I'm pretty sure my DSL is interleaved too, and the ST516 is very similar to my ST780 -I'll look into your suggestion thx. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON | reply to dbsanfte
that what I was thinkin' err along those similar lines, geeez, these guys really have no "excuse" to even throtlle us. !
-ouch. |
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carnesr
join:2002-11-16
Sault Ste Marie, ON
| reply to rik
here it is plain and simple, to get max 16 you need an adsl 2+ modem, then oone we use most often is the 2wire wich is a modem and wireless router in one, thats what he ment buy you only need a router, bell does not run fiber to the poll or the house, fiber runst to the CO then coper to the house, in areas that are to far from the co, there is either a remote co that would be fiber fed, or a stinger(box on the side of cross box) that is fiber fed, as for the cap and throttleing, max 16 has 100 gig cap after that you pay extra by the gig, at the moment no more then an extra 30 a month, throttle from what i have seen usually only occurs in the afternoon till early mourning |
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