Metatron2008
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| reply to STLCompGuy
Re: Can you see a difference: Charter HD Vs. AT&T U-Verse HD
Direcv uses a better method then Dish, which is more resilent to weather. It still goes out in really bad storms, but not in clouds, or rain, just in extreme heavy rain or heavy snow.
And personally, I'd rather be paying for good service instead of just wasting money.
If your going to go with Charter for hd as well as internet, or at&t internet as wel as tv, you may as well send me that extra money. |
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Phatty
join:2000-05-10
Valley Park, MO
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| said by Metatron2008  :..... If your going to go with Charter for hd as well as internet, or at&t internet as wel as tv, you may as well send me that extra money. Thats a very generic assumption you have that DirectTV is somehow magically loads cheaper than any of the alternatives... Everytime I look into Dish or DirectTV I can never get an offer that beats anything I pay at Charter.... It all depends on what services you have, and what channels you need on who has the better buy. Now if I wanted Multiple DVRs I do know that is something that Charter basically tries to discourage based on how much they charge for each DVR box you desire. But for my needs, nobody beats Charters pricing.
And for the Ops original question I have yet to see the two side by side... I have a feeling that Charters HD probably is going to be a higher bit rate than AT&T only based on the fact that AT&T is squeezing everything in such a little pipe. But this is just a guess, and I would bet that the majority of people couldn't tell a difference between any provider. |
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STLCompGuy
join:2003-01-11
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to Metatron2008
actually I had Charter for cable(hd) and Internet and ATT landline for home phone (because a cell phone does not work really well in my place) and Sprint for my cell phone. I switched to ATT Uverse and now I am getting cable (HD) and Internet and VOIP home phone through 1 provider....AT&T U Verse
said by Metatron2008 :Direcv uses a better method then Dish, which is more resilent to weather. It still goes out in really bad storms, but not in clouds, or rain, just in extreme heavy rain or heavy snow. And personally, I'd rather be paying for good service instead of just wasting money. If your going to go with Charter for hd as well as internet, or at&t internet as wel as tv, you may as well send me that extra money. |
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STLCompGuy
join:2003-01-11
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to Phatty
I understand...I used to have Charter for my cable (HD) and Internet and than I got sick of Charter not giving me options for a "whole house DVR" and not being able to get 2 channels I love (NFL Network and Big Ten Network). I was getting actually an awesome price with Charter for what I was getting: cable HD, all the movie channels, DVR, and 10 meg Internet....all for $105/month.
said by Phatty :said by Metatron2008 :..... If your going to go with Charter for hd as well as internet, or at&t internet as wel as tv, you may as well send me that extra money. Thats a very generic assumption you have that DirectTV is somehow magically loads cheaper than any of the alternatives... Everytime I look into Dish or DirectTV I can never get an offer that beats anything I pay at Charter.... It all depends on what services you have, and what channels you need on who has the better buy. Now if I wanted Multiple DVRs I do know that is something that Charter basically tries to discourage based on how much they charge for each DVR box you desire. But for my needs, nobody beats Charters pricing. And for the Ops original question I have yet to see the two side by side... I have a feeling that Charters HD probably is going to be a higher bit rate than AT&T only based on the fact that AT&T is squeezing everything in such a little pipe. But this is just a guess, and I would bet that the majority of people couldn't tell a difference between any provider. |
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Metatron2008
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said by Phatty :said by Metatron2008 :..... If your going to go with Charter for hd as well as internet, or at&t internet as wel as tv, you may as well send me that extra money. Thats a very generic assumption you have that DirectTV is somehow magically loads cheaper than any of the alternatives... Everytime I look into Dish or DirectTV I can never get an offer that beats anything I pay at Charter.... It all depends on what services you have, and what channels you need on who has the better buy. Now if I wanted Multiple DVRs I do know that is something that Charter basically tries to discourage based on how much they charge for each DVR box you desire. But for my needs, nobody beats Charters pricing. And for the Ops original question I have yet to see the two side by side... I have a feeling that Charters HD probably is going to be a higher bit rate than AT&T only based on the fact that AT&T is squeezing everything in such a little pipe. But this is just a guess, and I would bet that the majority of people couldn't tell a difference between any provider. I didn't mean cheaper as in packages ... Cheaper for what you GET in the packages.
Directv packages are usually more expensive then Charter, but Directv also has hundreds more hd channels. You get alot more for your money. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by Metatron2008 :Directv packages are usually more expensive then Charter, but Directv also has hundreds more hd channels. You get alot more for your money. Actually Directv pakages are CHEAPER than Charter and you get more channels.
Their 200 channel package is $61 a month. If you add HD it's $71
Chater's digtial package is $65 a month. If you add HD( but not HD Ultra ) it's $70. For $1 more you get a A LOT more SD and HD channels. |
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| said by BF69 :said by Metatron2008 :Directv packages are usually more expensive then Charter, but Directv also has hundreds more hd channels. You get alot more for your money. Actually Directv pakages are CHEAPER than Charter and you get more channels. Their 200 channel package is $61 a month. If you add HD it's $71 Chater's digtial package is $65 a month. If you add HD( but not HD Ultra ) it's $70. For $1 more you get a A LOT more SD and HD channels. You forgot to add that if you add an HD HVR to the Charter package, the price goes up to $90.
Add an HD DVR to the Directv price and it only goes to $76. Which I think is a pretty decent value.
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goillini
join:2006-04-26
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said by BF69 :Actually Directv pakages are CHEAPER than Charter and you get more channels. If you only have 1 or 2 TVs in your house, then yes, DirecTV will probably be cheaper than Charter. More than 2 TVs, however, and it's not so clear, as DirecTV charges $5/receiver/month for additional receivers. My parents and my in-laws both have 5 TVs at their houses. They'd be paying DirecTV an additional $20/month for receivers where they currently pay nothing for analog expanded basic service.
To answer the original question, I've had both Charter HD and Uverse HD. I like the HD picture on Charter better -- the picture on Uverse was very dark, so anything with dimly lit scenes was very hard to watch. I've since found out there was some sort of buried setting we could have tweaked on the Uverse receiver that may have fixed the issue, but my wife hated Uverse (the DVR was terrible ... crashed, wasn't user-friendly, lacked basic functionality/features), so we switched back to Charter and got an HD Tivo. I liked the HD lineup on Uverse a lot better though. Charter's HD lineup is pathetic. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by goillini :said by BF69 :Actually Directv pakages are CHEAPER than Charter and you get more channels. If you only have 1 or 2 TVs in your house, then yes, DirecTV will probably be cheaper than Charter. More than 2 TVs, however, and it's not so clear, as DirecTV charges $5/receiver/month for additional receivers. If you want HD or digital in all the rooms you'll need a box for each TV and Charter charges $5 per box so that's the same in my book. If you just need basic you could just do OTA in the other rooms |
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goillini
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| said by BF69 :If you want HD or digital in all the rooms you'll need a box for each TV and Charter charges $5 per box so that's the same in my book. If you just need basic you could just do OTA in the other rooms Expanded basic typically offers about 70 of the most popular cable channels to any cable-ready TV, with no need for a box. So, for most people, they don't need or want a cable box in every room, and expanded basic offers many more channels than OTA. But I'm guessing you already know that, it just doesn't fit the point you want to make. Sorry to muddle things up with facts.
Cable's analog lineup is one of the only competitive advantages cable has over satellite and IPTV services like Uverse, even if you don't care to acknowledge it. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
2 edits | said by goillini :said by BF69 :If you want HD or digital in all the rooms you'll need a box for each TV and Charter charges $5 per box so that's the same in my book. If you just need basic you could just do OTA in the other rooms Expanded basic typically offers about 70 of the most popular cable channels to any cable-ready TV, with no need for a box. So, for most people, they don't need or want a cable box in every room, and expanded basic offers many more channels than OTA. But I'm guessing you already know that, it just doesn't fit the point you want to make. Sorry to muddle things up with facts. Cable's analog lineup is one of the only competitive advantages cable has over satellite and IPTV services like Uverse, even if you don't care to acknowledge it. I'm not sure why you want to be a jerk about things. If you want to talk about muddling facts. How about you bringing up the extra boxes for DirecTv then saying you won't need them for Charter. Which is UNTRUE if you're comparing apples to apples, but you don't. You're comparing apples and oranges to make the "facts" fit YOUR point of view. So pot meet kettle.
As far as the 70 channels? Yeah well let's see, expanded basic form me goes from 2-71. Ok that's 70. Well except 8 and 16 don't exist. Ch 8 used to have a FoX station but they removed it a few months back( thanks Charter ). Good thing I can get it OTA. So that's 68. Ch 3 has local real estate ads. I'm not counting that. 19 and 22 have Charter previews for PPV which if you only have basic or expanded basic is kind of pointless. They don't count either. So that's 65 not 70. Over the past 2 years Charter has taken at least 5 channels from expanded basic to digital tier. Disney XD, G4, GSN, SoapNet, WE all used to be on analog expanded basic. Not are on digital. To think this won't continue is foolish. If you get a notice saying Charter is adding several HD channels you can be damned sure some analog channels are going to the digital tier.
From your post these others rooms are basically guest rooms not used often. If they were you'd have boxes in them. like your guests can't "put up with" OTA for a night or 2. Do they pay your bill?
What's your excuse going to be when in a couple of years Charter is all digital?
said by goillini :Expanded basic typically offers about 70 of the most popular cable channels to any cable-ready TV, with no need for a box. You know how much that sounds likes something a salesperson would say or what you'd hear on a commerical? Seems like we've got ourselves a Charter employee posting here as "regular" person people. Me thinks you've memorized the script bit too much. |
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goillini
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Madison, WI
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| said by BF69 :If you want to talk about muddling facts. How about you bringing up the extra boxes for DirecTv then saying you won't need them for Charter. Which is UNTRUE if you're comparing apples to apples, but you don't. You're comparing apples and oranges to make the "facts" fit YOUR point of view. So pot meet kettle. What part of this is confusing to you? With Charter, you can get approximately 70 channels on any TV in your house without a box. There is no comparable service from DirecTV -- that was my point. There is no apples-to-apples comparison. Charter offers an analog cable-ready service that some people with lots of TVs like. DirecTV does not offer this service. Is it a reason to pick Charter over DirecTV? It depends on how your household uses TV. As I said in my original post, if you only have a couple TVs, DirecTV is probably a better deal. Especially if you want HD, as DirecTV has way more HD channels than Charter.
said by BF69 :As far as the 70 channels? ... [rambling] So that's 65 not 70. Oh, 65 instead of "about 70," like I said. Those 5 channels totally change the game. Just go ahead and disregard my previous post.
said by BF69 :Over the past 2 years Charter has taken at least 5 channels from expanded basic to digital tier. Disney XD, G4, GSN, SoapNet, WE all used to be on analog expanded basic. Not are on digital. To think this won't continue is foolish. If you get a notice saying Charter is adding several HD channels you can be damned sure some analog channels are going to the digital tier. Hmm. I got a note in the mail today announcing 4 new HD channels here in Madison, WI, but no notice that channels were moving to digital basic. There is indeed a trend toward moving channels to the digital tier, and some systems like Comcast Chicago have eliminated analog expanded basic altogether. That said, it's not yet clear whether other cable operators like Charter will get rid of analog expanded basic in the immediate future. There are other ways to make room for larger HD lineups and faster Internet speeds using SDV and DOCSIS 3.0, which would preserve at least some of the analog line-up. I think the smarter cable operators will hold off on eliminating analog expanded basic for now, though I won't be surprised if it continues to slowly shrink. Even if it was to shrink by a third, it would still be a very useful service to many people.
said by BF69 :From your post these others rooms are basically guest rooms not used often. If they were you'd have boxes in them. like your guests can't "put up with" OTA for a night or 2. Do they pay your bill? If you read the post, it was my parents and my in-laws. I "only" have 2 TVs, and a TV tuner card on my computer. My parents have a TV in the living room, family room, guest room, master bedroom and my sister's bedroom. The only one not used on a daily basis is the one in the guest room. Same goes for my in-laws, who have one in the living room, family room, kitchen, office, bedroom and the basement where they have exercise equipment (I forgot -- they have one more in the master bath so my father-in-law can have HLN on in the morning, so that's 7 TVs. Yeah, it's a little rediculous, but whatever, it's his house.). They're happy with having a cable box for one TV and expanded basic on all other sets. My point is that just as there are lots of folks for whom DirecTV's super-sweet HD lineup will be the deciding factor, there are other folks who enjoy having cable TV in multiple rooms in their house and may not want to pay $5/month/room for the priviledge.
said by BF69 :What's your excuse going to be when in a couple of years Charter is all digital? I'm no fan of Charter's. I think I slam on them as much as the next guy. I wish we had a better cable company here, and that I didn't have too many trees to get DirecTV. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm a Charter fanboy. |
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Metatron2008
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said by goillini :said by BF69 :Actually Directv pakages are CHEAPER than Charter and you get more channels. If you only have 1 or 2 TVs in your house, then yes, DirecTV will probably be cheaper than Charter. More than 2 TVs, however, and it's not so clear, as DirecTV charges $5/receiver/month for additional receivers. My parents and my in-laws both have 5 TVs at their houses. They'd be paying DirecTV an additional $20/month for receivers where they currently pay nothing for analog expanded basic service. To answer the original question, I've had both Charter HD and Uverse HD. I like the HD picture on Charter better -- the picture on Uverse was very dark, so anything with dimly lit scenes was very hard to watch. I've since found out there was some sort of buried setting we could have tweaked on the Uverse receiver that may have fixed the issue, but my wife hated Uverse (the DVR was terrible ... crashed, wasn't user-friendly, lacked basic functionality/features), so we switched back to Charter and got an HD Tivo. I liked the HD lineup on Uverse a lot better though. Charter's HD lineup is pathetic. Charter also charges $5 a receiver if you get HD, And charter charges an extra $15 for each dvr. |
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Metatron2008
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said by goillini :said by BF69 :If you want HD or digital in all the rooms you'll need a box for each TV and Charter charges $5 per box so that's the same in my book. If you just need basic you could just do OTA in the other rooms Expanded basic typically offers about 70 of the most popular cable channels to any cable-ready TV, with no need for a box. So, for most people, they don't need or want a cable box in every room, and expanded basic offers many more channels than OTA. But I'm guessing you already know that, it just doesn't fit the point you want to make. Sorry to muddle things up with facts. Cable's analog lineup is one of the only competitive advantages cable has over satellite and IPTV services like Uverse, even if you don't care to acknowledge it. This is a subject of HD, and you're talking about sd channels?
You should read what people are talking about before talking. |
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goillini
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said by BF69 :said by goillini :Expanded basic typically offers about 70 of the most popular cable channels to any cable-ready TV, with no need for a box. You know how much that sounds likes something a salesperson would say or what you'd hear on a commerical? Seems like we've got ourselves a Charter employee posting here as "regular" person people. Me thinks you've memorized the script bit too much. I'm sorry if trying to write concisely disqualifies me from arguing your half-baked points. If you had bothered to click on the link to my review of Charter under my member name, I think it'd be fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain that I'm not a stealth Charter employee, but hey, maybe I'm giving you to much credit, BF. |
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goillini
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said by Metatron2008 :This is a subject of HD, and you're talking about sd channels? You should read what people are talking about before talking. Yeah, last I checked I was the only one who's had both Charter and Uverse who's posted on this thread with their impressions of the HD quality and lineups on the two services. So how about you follow your own advice. |
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Metatron2008
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| said by goillini :said by Metatron2008 :This is a subject of HD, and you're talking about sd channels? You should read what people are talking about before talking. Yeah, last I checked I was the only one who's had both Charter and Uverse who's posted on this thread with their impressions of the HD quality and lineups on the two services. So how about you follow your own advice. What a bullshit reply. You only mentioned both services at the beginning, then kept going on about things not related to the discussion. |
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Big Dawg 23
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| reply to Phatty
Please let the rest of us know how you get a better deal than Directv. Unless you are one of the threat to drop unless on a promo. Currently I have the Priemer package on Directv with Two DVR's that hold 200 HRs of programming and pay $125. IF I do the same thing with Charter my bill is about $180. Not sure how you get a better deal. Even if I drop to compare they Choice Xtra to Charter Digtal basic it is still cheaper.
Like I said you must be on a non stop promo. Where I have been at regular price for a long time with them. |
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