O G
@anonymouse.org
|  Its the Traffic Management Super Bowl!
»www.p2pnet.net/story/24417
Figured I'd post this here since the CRTC Traffic Management hearings are kicking off this week in Gatineau, Quebec, and this story seems to fit in.
Also, this TekSavvy forum was at the heart of the Canadian neutrality debate and throttling wars.
References:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2008/···8-19.htm
and
»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2008/···5400.htm
I think another good reference to these hearings are everything that happened over the year plus in regards to the "traffic management":
p2pnet traffic shaping digest: »www.p2pnet.net/story/15671 (Jon at p2pnet will have to update that digest and earn his keep, it's lagging  , I'll complain to him).
From the 1st link above: »www.p2pnet.net/story/24417
Customer First
Finally, I asked Rocky if he had any more thoughts on the issue and,”Hmm,” he said, “Not sure why he [Tom] chose this path but in the first article he is pretty well arguing with himself as in, “all ISPs don’t have to throttle”.
He goes on »»»
All ISPs who want to create service tiers and try to oversell need to throttle, yes. I suspect the argument would become more about Business Models as to why one would or would not “need” to throttle.
The second one is as easy as day…. “POOR NETWORK MANAGEMENT”.
If they got caught with their pants down, then that’s their problem. Fire the guys who didn’t see the growth and didn’t properly manage the network and get competent people in there to do it right. It indeed does take time to turn up larger or more connections but it also takes time to implement/configure throttling equipment.
You can see network trends months out so requesting appropriate network resources shouldn’t be all that difficult. Also, if you follow the old rule of thumb of “network due diligence” then you’re looking at things daily and can see the weaknesses in your setup.
Graphing and monitoring and a little over capacity planning to buy you the necessary time to upgrade generally gives you sufficient space to prepare for a worst case scenario.
Otherwise, if you happen to get too many sales in one shot and land up with too many people on at one time, then you have to make the difficult decision: cause your current client base to start having network congestion while you upgrade; or, do the customer-friendly thing and put a stop to selling new connections while you get upgrades done.
“In, either case the customer has to come first,” Rocky states.
“They aren’t [our] adversaries. They’re our income!”
Well said Rocky!
Also keep an eye on CIPPIC's live blogging event!
See: »CIPPIC-Monday July 6, Live Bloggin Net Neutrality Hearings
Should be some interesting arguments about the discrimination of an entire protocol and the discrimination of a population who use P2P, thanks to Bell Canada, who stated TekSavvy customers' will be happier with the traffic management.
Does anyone have an agenda of who is speaking? When? And what dates?
Maybe Karl (the DSLreports reporter) should be advised this kicks off tomorrow. He has a way with words 
Enjoy the Traffic Management Super Bowl! The spin and rhetoric should be thick (because as we all know 5% of the people are the cause for an entire protocol throttle in all of Quebec and Ontario) |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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| 2008-19 Public Hearing Details
Monday, 6 July 2009
Appearing individually
1. Sandvine Incorporated
2. Juniper Networks
Panel
3. National Union
4. Union des consommateurs
Appearing individually
5. Public Interest Advocacy Centre
Tuesday, 7 July2009
Appearing individually
6. Open Internet Coalition
7. Zip.ca
8. Canadian Conference of the Arts
9. Canadian Independent Record Production Association
Panel
10. Jason Roks
11. Norm Friesen
12. Vaxination Informatique (Jean-Francois Mezei)
Wednesday, 8 July 2009
Panel
13. Independent Film and Television Alliance
14. Canadian Film & Television Production Association
Appearing individually
15. Score Media
16. Council of Canadians with Disabilities and ARCH Disability Law Centre
17 Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists
18. Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic on behalf of Campaign for Democratic Media
Thursday, 9 July 2009
Appearing individually
19. Canadian Association of Internet Providers
20. Coalition of Internet Service Providers
21. Cybersurf
22. Execulink Telecom
23. Rip.net
Friday, 10 July 2009
Appearing individually
24. Quebecor Media, on behalf of Videotron ltée
25. MTS Allstream
26. Primus Telecommunications Canada Inc.
27. Cogeco Cable Inc.
28. Barrett Xplore Inc.
Monday, 13 July 2009
Appearing individually
29. Rogers Communications Inc.
30. Telus Communications Company
31. Shaw Communications Inc.
32. Bell Aliant Communications Partnership and Bell Canada
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Authorized TSI employee ( »TekSavvy FAQ »Official support in the forum )
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DR_JAY
join:2002-04-23
Verdun, QC | reply to O G
I believe this is related?
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009···ent.html |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Chatham, ON | Yup. |
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otty
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| Looks like these hearings won't be televised anywhere (I checked the CPAC schedule). Will they be streamed or recorded and distributed online at least? I'd love to watch many of those speakers (especially this: Panel
10. Jason Roks
11. Norm Friesen
12. Vaxination Informatique (Jean-Francois Mezei) |
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Jazdi
@acanac.net
| reply to O G
Monday looks like a decent lineup, Jean-Francois especially 
I think I'll go on Monday and decide whether the other days would be worth going to based on that.
JF posted the specific details (address, etc) here:
»CRTC Public Hearings on throttling (2008-19)
Starts at 9:00 I believe. |
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FlagVictim
@teksavvy.com
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY  :2008-19 Public Hearing Details [...] [Last day, Final Word:] Monday, 13 July 2009 Appearing individually 29. Rogers Communications Inc. 30. Telus Communications Company 31. Shaw Communications Inc. 32. Bell Aliant Communications Partnership and Bell Canada Hey, rather telling how it's /these/ characters who comprise the closing commentators.
Someone needs to smack the CRTC with the regulatory-capture/regular-whore rubber hose. |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
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| reply to O G
geez ..
look who is opening the discussion, and ending the discussion ...
these parties should all be present for the entire thing.
this does not look right to me anymore  |
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jfmezei
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1 edit | reply to Jazdi
Jazdi, you nearly gave me a heart attack. I had everything planned for Tuesday. Had to check the CRTC documents again. I am last to speak on Tuesday July 7th.
(which means there is a possibility that if it is too delayed, I would be asked to present on the morning of the following day).
And remember to expect nothing from me. I don't exactly have a good standing with the net neutrality movement. I get to speak to 5 individuals for 10 minutes and leave. Just hope sleep deprivation won't result i my falling asleep while I speak. |
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Jazdi
@acanac.net
| said by jfmezei :Jazdi, you nearly gave me a heart attack. I had everything planned for Tuesday. Had to check the CRTC documents again. I am last to speak on Tuesday July 7th. (which means there is a possibility that if it is too delayed, I would be asked to present on the morning of the following day). And remember to expect nothing from me. I don't exactly have a good standing with the net neutrality movement. I get to speak to 5 individuals for 10 minutes and leave. Just hope sleep deprivation won't result i my falling asleep while I speak. LOL, sorry JF. I actually just realized that I had it wrong about 10 minutes ago when I looked at the list a second time. I'm thinking I'll skip tomorrow. Two hardware vendors and a public service union? Doesn't sound that exciting. Is anyone here planning on going tomorrow? |
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Soiduts
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1 edit | reply to O G
Here's another news article on the subject, Federal regulators ready to click on the Web by Matt Hartley, Financial Post. Published: Sunday, July 05, 2009 - »www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1757953
My favourite quote from the article is from our good *pal* Mirko Bibic.
said by Mirko Bibic :
The Internet has always been managed, first of all. Second, the traffic management practices we utilize have been reviewed extensively and the CRTC has said they are appropriate ... We expect the CRTC will continue to find that reasonable management practices designed to improve the Internet experience for the majority of users is appropriate.
Hopefully the next week or so will generate a lot more news articles on the subject and create more public awareness to this issue as it affects all the Internet users in Canada. |
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An_Onymous
@teksavvy.com | reply to O G
Same as the Super Bowl. Lot of speculations, talks etc., shots of asses for some of the most overly paid people. Not a whole lot the average Joes at home can do to change the outcome. |
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mlerner
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| reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei :And remember to expect nothing from me. I don't exactly have a good standing with the net neutrality movement. I get to speak to 5 individuals for 10 minutes and leave. Just hope sleep deprivation won't result i my falling asleep while I speak. I think every voice counts whether the CRTC will hear it or not and it will be on public record will it not? If that fails give the truth serum to Mirko Bibic and put a wire on him. |
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From around
@videotron.ca
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»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4101/135/
CRTC Net Neutrality Hearings Open Amid ISPs' Conflicting Claims
The telecom and cable companies will likely maintain that managing their networks, which may include using "deep packet inspection" to identify subscriber activity and limiting available bandwidth for certain applications (a practice known as throttling), is essential to ensure optimal access for all subscribers. Consumer associations, independent Internet service providers (ISPs), broadcasters, creator groups, and technology companies are likely to warn against network management practices that raise competition, privacy, and consumer rights concerns.
My weekly technology law column (Toronto Star version, homepage version) notes that as the Commission weighs the various claims, it would do well to consider the testimony it heard just a few months ago during the February new media hearings. The issue at play at those hearings was whether ISPs should face a levy to fund new media or be required to prioritize Canadian content (the CRTC declined to do both in its decision released last month). Interestingly, the same telecom and cable companies that will now argue that managing their networks is essential, offered a somewhat different take when confronted with the prospect of doing so in the name of supporting Canadian content.
For example, Shaw Communications's network management submission states "traffic management is necessary to ensure that Shaw's customers continue to have access to fast, reliable and affordable service." It adds the "traffic shaping process uses deep packet inspection (DPI) technology to identify packets that are associated with P2P file-sharing applications and to slow those packets down, limiting the amount of available capacity P2P traffic consumes."
Yet when CEO Jim Shaw was asked about the prospect of identifying traffic during the new media hearings, he told the Commission, "we can only tell you how many bits are coming in or out. We don't know what kind of bit it is. It could be anything from an e-mail to a porno. We don't know that. We spend no time trying to figure out what bits are going to your house. We just don't know."
The same inconsistencies arise within the context of the technological capability of discriminating against certain content. While the telecom and cable companies will argue their network management practices do not target specific content, when asked about the issue during the new media hearings, an expert witness for MTS Allstream told the CRTC "now it does happen on some basis. It happens, for instance, under the purview of intelligence agencies quietly. There are things that go on; however, the consumers haven't been directly told ‘We are going to start sniffing your packets.'"
In fact, when net neutrality supporters point to the need for an "open Internet" that treats content and applications in an equal manner, they might remind the CRTC that they are not alone in making that case.
During the new media hearings, Rogers Communications told the Commission "there is no walled garden, there is no preferred content, it's just a pipe. We are moving to a big, wide-open pipe," while the same MTS Allstream expert, perhaps foreshadowing the outcome of the network management hearings, acknowledged "when a commercial interest attempts to violate the principle of openness, as it is defined by the open culture movement, there tends to be a very dramatic and forceful rebuking."
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»www.p2pnet.net/story/24415
Traffic throttling Super Bowl! …
… at least, that’s how a post on dslreports describes it, going on, “Should be some interesting arguments about the discrimination of an entire protocol and the discrimination of a population who use P2P, thanks to Bell Canada …”
Because today is the day the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) opens its investigate into traffic throttling slash net neutrality in Canada.
And it’s been a long time coming.
More than a year ago, the Canadian Association of Internet Providers (CAIP), representing independent ISPs across Canada, launched its official complaint against traffic throttling instituted by Bell Canada against its customers, pretending it was reluctantly forced to do so because of the activities of a tiny minority of people it called broadband hogs.
Online, these people, who comprise 5% of the general Bell Canada customer base, are known as file sharers. Significantly, an identical statistic is also routinely trotted out by other ISP giants, and not only in Canada.
“The companies say these large files clog the space on their networks, which leads to slow connection speeds for other customers, similar to how a lumbering tractor trailer can impede the flow of traffic on a highway,” as a Financial Post story colourfully states the situation as it’s presented by Bell, et al.
“Other ISPs in the United States and Europe have faced a similar backlash from proponents of ‘net neutrality,’ which states that traffic-shaping violates the unwritten rule that all Internet traffic should be treated equally and should not be managed by ISPs,” says the story, adding:
“What started as an issue that garnered attention only in the technology community, the idea of net neutrality has steadily gained mainstream attention. Members of both the federal NDP and Liberal parties have spoken out in favour of net neutrality.”
It has Rogers spokesman Ken Engelhart stating, “The CRTC has all the tools it needs to deal with discrimination and they should deal with complaints as they arise … it’s a mistake to try and create rules up front for a medium like the Internet that’s changing so quickly.” |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Chatham, ON | reply to O G
»www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-floor.htm |
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fiestaware
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| Figures they'd use Windows Media Player. |
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mlerner
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| said by fiestaware :Figures they'd use Windows Media Player. They also use Frontpage! LOL
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pls capture
@videotron.ca | reply to O G
TY for the link Rocky!
heading out... Is anyone capturing this stream?
I would love to listen to this later this afternoon.
If captured, please give a link or upload.
TY! |
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BonkersInc
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1 edit | reply to R0CKY
The dude asking the question has a bad case of the mumbles!
Edit: I'm liking some of the points he's bringing up, though.  |
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jfmezei
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Beaconsfield, QC | The "dude" asking questions is the CRTC Chair, Konrad von Kinckenstein. |
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