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MaynardKrebs
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Re: Status of 2008-108 Throttling Review and Vary

said by freejazz_RdJ:

Is anybody missing the fact that 14% or 16% of users using 27% and 29% of a finite resource is inequitable if the balance of users are sacrificing (by being throttled without MLPPP/VPN/SSH workarounds) their speeds in the name of equity? This kind of inequitable distribution wouldn't be tolerated with water from a common aquifer, school funding or all manner of things, why is it any more fair in this context?

There's nothing to suggest that the 'other' users are being denied anything since there is no analysis of which users are are actually on-line and when during the 10 hour period Bell construes to be the "peak period".

The way Bell has presented their 'data' could be totally fudged to skew the argument their way. What if most of the 'excessive' consumption occurred during the period of midnight-2am when the majority of casual users were asleep - who in their right mind would give a rat's ass about congestion then?

Bell's user numbers just look at the 'peak' 4pm-2am period as a whole, so it's impossible to say who is being affected, when, and for how long.

*sarcasm* But we're supposed to believe Bell because they have no vested interest in not skewing anything they report to the CRTC. */sarcasm*

The trouble with the whole CRTC process is that there is no INDEPENDENT verification/audit of what any of the ILEC's tell the CRTC. That's like Enron saying they didn't manipulate the electricity markets, or Bre-X saying that their assays were legit.

In the transportation of fresh produce from say, California to Toronto, the transport truck is supposed to keep the cargo refrigerated to 4C for the entire time, but when the load arrives and the grapes are mush, the trucker would claim that the grapes were in poor condition when loaded. In order to confirm/deny this sort of thing, the produce industry loads one or more tamper resistant temperature chart recorders in each truck - which provides irrefutable evidence of the temperature by the minute throughout the whole journey. This is the sort of thing that the CRTC needs to be having done.

The CRTC should not be allowing implementation of throttling and denying consumers what they paid for and then being put into the position of dealing with complaints on an ex-post basis. If Bell had a problem, they should have approached the CRTC and asked for a traffic audit, and then made application for DPI/throttle to be done ex-ante. This is what Bell traffic people would have had to do internally to get budget approval to buy dozens of Ellacoya or Sandvine boxes - prove to management that they had congestion, how much, when, and whether the DPI boxes would help enough to justify the expenditure.

In the nearly 2 years since Bell began throttling, given that Bell alleges that they are still having problems, it would appear yet again that Bell's network planning and upgrade process is still irretrievably f*cked.