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Mahalo

join:2000-12-20
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reply to Luminaris

Re: Keeping pace

Your points sound more like wants than needs.

Is keeping up with the Jones a reason to do it?

Luminaris

join:2005-12-01
Waterford, VA
said by Mahalo:

Your points sound more like wants than needs.

Is keeping up with the Jones a reason to do it?
So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder.

Mahalo

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With the speeds VZ offers now I think it is more important to keep the quality of service up (low/no outages, no slowness during peak times on their network) than trying to provide higher speed rates. If you ever get a chance to switch to Fios you will see what I mean. It just works...


tschmidt
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reply to Luminaris
said by Luminaris:

So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder.
Residential speed is a chicken N egg problem.

Application and service providers are not going to develop applications that need very high speed until there is a large enough population of users to justify it. If we were all still constrained to dialup most of the applications and services we take for granted today would not be practical.

Video libraries and video on demand is very demanding. HD feed requires about 15 Mbps. For a family of four the sweet spot is 100 Mbps. 3-D when it happens will need even more bandwidth.

Telecommuting is popular but often limited by how quickly data flows between employee and office.

New immersive games and virtual reality all require high capacity fast connections.

Ultimately the upper bound is driven by human physiology and compression algorithms.

/tom


Gbcue
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said by tschmidt:

said by Luminaris:

So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder.
Residential speed is a chicken N egg problem.

Application and service providers are not going to develop applications that need very high speed until there is a large enough population of users to justify it. If we were all still constrained to dialup most of the applications and services we take for granted today would not be practical.

Video libraries and video on demand is very demanding. HD feed requires about 15 Mbps. For a family of four the sweet spot is 100 Mbps. 3-D when it happens will need even more bandwidth.

Telecommuting is popular but often limited by how quickly data flows between employee and office.

New immersive games and virtual reality all require high capacity fast connections.

Ultimately the upper bound is driven by human physiology and compression algorithms.

/tom
Is it really a Chicken/Egg problem?

Remember when everybody was going from dial-up to broadband? Was it done for fun? No, it was done because application providers were already thinking of the future.

The same needs to be done for broadband speed. When people get fed up of waiting for an HD stream to load over their 10Mbit connection, they'll soon jump, like how we all did to broadband.
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battleop

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reply to Mahalo
It's mostly a my d**k is bigger than yours. Nothing more.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:

said by tschmidt:

said by Luminaris:

So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder.
Residential speed is a chicken N egg problem.

Application and service providers are not going to develop applications that need very high speed until there is a large enough population of users to justify it. If we were all still constrained to dialup most of the applications and services we take for granted today would not be practical.

Video libraries and video on demand is very demanding. HD feed requires about 15 Mbps. For a family of four the sweet spot is 100 Mbps. 3-D when it happens will need even more bandwidth.

Telecommuting is popular but often limited by how quickly data flows between employee and office.

New immersive games and virtual reality all require high capacity fast connections.

Ultimately the upper bound is driven by human physiology and compression algorithms.

/tom
Is it really a Chicken/Egg problem?

Remember when everybody was going from dial-up to broadband? Was it done for fun? No, it was done because application providers were already thinking of the future.

The same needs to be done for broadband speed. When people get fed up of waiting for an HD stream to load over their 10Mbit connection, they'll soon jump, like how we all did to broadband.
The first people I knew who got broadband (that neat new service from the phone company called a "digital subscriber line") got it to run FTP sites to trade pirated music files.

I honestly didn't begin to see applications that needed broadband until after 2002 or so. Maybe there were, but I didn't see them.

100Mbps isn't really needed for HD streaming video right now. In fact you can do that on a 10M connection with MPEG4 compression.


scoopy03

join:2003-05-06
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said by fifty nine:

100Mbps isn't really needed for HD streaming video right now. In fact you can do that on a 10M connection with MPEG4 compression.
one hd tv stream will use all that up in one connection. and say your dad wants his news from a "newsgroup" and mom wants to watch her missed episode of her soap opera and the son wants to download the newest mmorpg or demos. the daughter may want to upload her hundreds of pictures to facebook/myspace or something like that. how frustrated with that family be with a 10M connection.


tschmidt
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reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:

100Mbps isn't really needed for HD streaming video right now. In fact you can do that on a 10M connection with MPEG4 compression.
Broadcast quality HDTV is about 15 Mbps - was set that way to fit into the 19 Mbps available. More advanced compression algorithms reduce requirement a little more. But bottom line, high resolution full motion video takes a lot of bandwidth.

Assuming a typical family of four connection needs 60 Mbps in order to deliver individual HD streams, exclusive of everything else to each family member.

That is why 100 Mbps is the sweet spot for residential broadband. Also happens to be a standard Ethernet speed.

/tom


Nuadormrac

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reply to tschmidt
There's also the effect this has on P2P networks. If an increased dl limit is accompanied by a subsequent increase in the upload limit, then those who have that higher limit could provide faster uploads through bit torrent and the like. So once more can provide it, that'll push the BT downloads a bit more. Until more can upload faster however, they won't be feeding it.

At least where p2p networks are involved, increasing BW on a residential lines can help the p2p d/l go faster (by providing faster uploads from other peers).


threegsus
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Tempe, AZ
reply to battleop
Hey battleop,
said by battleop:

...mostly a my d**k is bigger than yours...
Of course in my case, mine is...
Whaddaya want, Corvettes should be banned, too?
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