bobbagels
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1 edit | More memory (ram)
hello, hello.
I have a machine with 2 GB ram.
I will be getting Windows 7 premium in a few days and I wanted to up my memory. For a few reasons I chose to go with 32 bit.
so 4GB is it.
I need to get
DDR2 PC2-6400 SDRAM at 800MHZ
and I would like to get 2- 2GB sticks (i have read its better to get it this way than 4- 1 GB sticks)
I dont know how to find out how many pin but they all look like 240 pin
I hear Crucial is the best but I donno.
Can someone gimme a link or something where I can just go and purchase please?
Appreciation in advance.
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bobbagels
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| I found this.
»www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as···20145184
Would that be the right thing?
Alienware said to make sure its low latency ?
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kvn864
join:2001-12-18
Simpsonville, SC | reply to bobbagels
hello, hello.
Yes, that RAM is what you need, it should work. 32-bit Windows will allocate 3,2-3,5 GB out of it. Good luck. |
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CylonRed
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Pin count is standard for all ram for awhile now - as long as you get DDR2 desktop ram (DIMM) - you will have the correct pin count.
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bobbagels
Just Another Scorpion Mechwarrior
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Matawan, NJ | reply to bobbagels
Thank you Gentlemen,
I am ordering right now |
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longstreet
join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX
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I'd go with the cheapest RAM you can find that is PC2-6400.
IIRC, everything rated at that speed is 240 pin, pretty much any ram you're buying for a machine that's not archaic will be 240 pin.
Low latency ram isn't really going to make a difference in your gaming, usually it's only good for synthetic benchmarking. |
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Margolis
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1 edit | reply to bobbagels
what specific reason do you have for sticking with 32bit? there is no reason to do that for 99.9% of people. go with 64bit and be happy..
as for crucial being better. for some computers yes, others no.
What brand of memory works best varies from computer to computer. It all depends on the motherboard and chipsets used. |
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StubbyinKCMO
join:2008-11-15
Kansas City, MO
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And depending on how much RAM you have in your vid card, you do have a dedicated vid card right?
But since that RAM is also allocated an address with the system RAM...Or is it just onboard vid cards that that happens with?
So if you have 4GB of RAM and 1GB vidcard RAM, technically cant you only use 3 for OS?
64 bit Windows is the way to go. Unless you have an older software or something that needs 32. |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
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1 edit | NO NO NO NO NO RAGE IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT /morbo
Vram is given a RANGE that is 128 to 512MB big AND THEN PAGED
the addressing of rest is handled BY THE GPUS ON BOARD CONTROLER
RAWR people need to stop this when they dont know what there talking about
you could have a 32bit OS and 100GB GPU and the OS would only ever see as much at 512MB at a time
the driver then pages handles the paging of that range
so when ever some thing is writen to that range the driver does some address translation magic and put it in to its local(on the GPU) ram
it USED to seem like the whole card was address becouse untill now the framebuffer on the card was the same size or smaller then VGA memory hole
>.> L2PAGING and Address translation |
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StubbyinKCMO
join:2008-11-15
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@Elios...thats why I put the question marks at the end of the sentences. I was under the impression if you use ONBOARD RAM for video, then it counted towards your total RAM usage.
So if you use 2GB of RAM, and you allocate 1GB for vid VRAM, then you only have 1 GB going toward OS. Like that kind of thing.
But then also if you have a 1GB video card it also was counted as memory addressing in 32bit OS. Or does the GPU handle that RAM on its own? I thought that only occurred if the GPU had an OS on its chip. Thats why I put the question marks. I was unsure.
I didn't really know since I am running a 64bit OS (WinXP64SP2), with 4GB of RAM. Old computer, not capable of running Windows 7 without upgrading the heck out of it. I suppose I could try to put Win7 on here, but I would have to install a LOT of stuff. Games mostly. About 200GB of them...LOL! |
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longstreet
join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX
4 edits | Stub, don't let elios troll you into a memory debate.
If you have 4 gig of memory and a 512 card and 32 bit OS . . .it's going to add the memory from the card, then main memory up until it hits the limit. Depending on your version of Windows, it may be different in what it displays to you as available.
If you have 64 bit, you'll get around this problem.
The simple solution for big video card and lots of memory is going 64 bit. No further disussion in memory is needed. |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
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| NO it doesnt there are some engineers at nVidia ATi and MS that would like a word with you stop spreading your fud even on a 64bit OS the VRAM is still not addressed directly and is paged
fell free to show me the address ranges in the device manager of it address the whole thing on card bigger then 512MB becouse thats the upper limit to the address hole and im betting you cant
no video card has ever had its ram address directly to the OS
>.> ffs why is that so hard to understand its like saying that your swapfile eats in to the address range |
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longstreet
join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX
2 edits | I'm not talking about a card larger than 512, but if I'm mistaken about the vram size I mentioned in my post, please provide a citation. |
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StubbyinKCMO
join:2008-11-15
Kansas City, MO | reply to bobbagels
On a side note, I do not have a swap file at all on my hard drive. Its because I have enough RAM that I don't need it.
And yes, I am on WinXP 64 to avoid having these kinds of issues. |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | fyi the swap is used for more things then you know
id keep it some apps look for and can freak out if its not there photoshop comes to mind |
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Somnambul33t
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| said by elios  :fyi the swap is used for more things then you know id keep it some apps look for and can freak out if its not there photoshop comes to mind definitely. many apps will hard lock windows with no pagefile. you never want to run without one. even if everything works now, youll install a program later on and will be going crazy trying to figure out why windows hardlocks.
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DKS
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said by StubbyinKCMO :On a side note, I do not have a swap file at all on my hard drive. Its because I have enough RAM that I don't need it. And yes, I am on WinXP 64 to avoid having these kinds of issues. That's dangerous behaviour... 
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StubbyinKCMO
join:2008-11-15
Kansas City, MO
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Could be dangerous, but it has worked for me for the last 2 years.
Don't run a lot of stuff on here. Mostly gaming. And after my RAID incident a couple years ago, I backup regularly now. Let's just say I found out the hard way about RAID 0.
And its an old system. Not a lot of new hardware in it. Vid card was updated in May of 08. And rest was new in 2006. Stable for what I use it for. |
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DKS
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| said by StubbyinKCMO :Could be dangerous, but it has worked for me for the last 2 years. Don't run a lot of stuff on here. Mostly gaming. And after my RAID incident a couple years ago, I backup regularly now. Let's just say I found out the hard way about RAID 0. And its an old system. Not a lot of new hardware in it. Vid card was updated in May of 08. And rest was new in 2006. Stable for what I use it for. Your mileage may vary...»support.microsoft.com/kb/314482
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Can you get rid of the paging file? Yes and no. If you have a boat load of memory (greater than 2GB) you may be able to function just fine. Some games require a certain amount of swap space to be created to even run, no matter how much RAM is available. Also, under certain conditions, my sound card goes crazy (or does not function) in some games with no paging file (oddly enough, Age of Empires 2). If you decide to test your luck with no paging file, you are on your own.  Please do not E-Mail me with your war stories about no paging file. Every system is different and each persons requirement of how many applications are open at a time is different..
»www.blackviper.com/WinXP/supertweaks.htm
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