 SavantPremium
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Toronto | [360] Modded consoles get banned as new COD ships It was only logical for Microsoft to lay the banhammer down on modded consoles at one point, but timing is everything. Seeing as the new COD game is set to be a HUGE seller, Microsoft banned all the modded consoles they have found over the years the day before - essentially preventing those who are eager for the (hacked) game from playing it online.
The story has at least one million consoles banned.
An added bonus story is how Craigslist and eBay has been flooded with now useless modded consoles and games.
A couple clarifications. This affects the CONSOLE, not the gamertag. Buy a new console and people are free to pick up where they left off. This also doesn't "brick" the console, it only prevents online play. So it can still be used as a single player console.
I think most people who modded their consoles saw this coming.
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| I think this is a good and fair move by Microsoft. Game developers have to be assured by the console maker that their intellectual property rights will be respected.
I'm a bit surprised Microsoft didn't disable the DVD drive on the modded consoles.
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 C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
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Davenport, FL | reply to Savant
The thing that strikes me silly is the fact that so many of these people that get banned are for some of the most obvious things, like playing a game a week before its release date, even when there hasn't been any stores that have broken the street date in the area. Especially with the simple fact that the 360 timestamps damned near every save file on the console.
I would think that if I was in a situation where mine was modded, common sense would tell me not to do something so blatantly stupid like that, and just wait at least a week or two anyway, so that I can find out if a game is worth getting or not.
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SavantPremium
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Toronto | reply to pandora
said by pandora:
I'm a bit surprised Microsoft didn't disable the DVD drive on the modded consoles.
I'm not sure if that's a good way to go. 'Bricking' the console could spark a backlash, which is not something you want before the Christmas season. Frankly, the online component is the big draw, which is why they were shrewd not to ban accounts using modded consoles. They want to convert those modded users into legitimate users, since that means more money for Microsoft and game developers.
The timing on this was perfect though. Pirates already had hacked copies of the latest COD before it went on sale, and so now all of those people who would have got the game for free have to buy it AND buy a new console, or wait to see if someone can find a workaround for it. (which is doubtful)
Something tells me that Microsoft will have a great Christmas season in sales this year. 
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| said by Savant: Something tells me that Microsoft will have a great Christmas season in sales this year. Not just Microsoft but game developers who work with Microsoft on the Xbox 360 platform.
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said by C0deZer0:The thing that strikes me silly is the fact that so many of these people that get banned are for some of the most obvious things, like playing a game a week before its release date, even when there hasn't been any stores that have broken the street date in the area. Especially with the simple fact that the 360 timestamps damned near every save file on the console. Edit: I did check the Microsoft forums on this, and several Microsoft reps indicate that playing a legitimate copy of a game prior to release date does not result in a ban.
I've seen ads recently in my area for low cost Xbox 360's. My assumption is some / many of them are banned. It is very possible a parent, who doesn't follow the news about consoles, could purchase a banned console thinking it was a great value and wind up with children unable to play online.
Microsoft should allow anyone to enter the serial number of an Xbox 360 to the Xbox.com website and determine in advance if it is banned. At this time, it makes no sense to purchase a used Xbox 360 IMO.
I've read the Xbox 360 forums, and there seems to be some help available for those who feel unfairly banned. A Microsoft representative sort of does a manual review to determine if a ban is fair or not. If the ban is fair, you will not only lose your Xbox access, but also your Xbox live account and all it's DLC.
I am also amazed at the number of belligerent hackers who are caught, and feel it is fair for them to steal because game prices are too high. A customer should be able to determine in advance, possibly by texting to a MS SMS number to determine if an Xbox 360 is banned or not.
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I still have to laugh at the pirates in the articles and over the internet saying that they may not buy a replacement 360 in the future. Oh no, Microsoft lost out on a customer that wasn't paying for their product anyways! Take that Microsoft, yeah! |
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1 edit | said by Thaler:I still have to laugh at the pirates in the articles and over the internet saying that they may not buy a replacement 360 in the future. Oh no, Microsoft lost out on a customer that wasn't paying for their product anyways! Take that Microsoft, yeah! You seem to forget they were paying for XBL as well as MS points.
Why do you think they ban the console and not the gamertag, they expect people to re-buy the consoles because they make more revenue on XBL and MS points then they do on direct game sales unless the game is from a MS studio.
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I'm glad to hear MS has finally done something about that crap, however the whole eBay bit is going leave shoppers exasperated for a long while to come.
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said by Savant: said by pandora:
I'm a bit surprised Microsoft didn't disable the DVD drive on the modded consoles.
I'm not sure if that's a good way to go. 'Bricking' the console could spark a backlash, nah they will just get sued if they did that
just like Sony Bricking 20/60GB so you have to pay a 150$ fee or BUY A NEW SYSTEM
they continue to make a lot of money off the 20/60GB
they have two classation lawsuits on that
one in the US and one in Canada
the Lawsuits is because the software update Bricked systems (YLOD),Bricked Blu-ray drives,cause legit games Not to work ,video output issues via hdmi,deleted game saves(SEE BRICKED SYSTEMS),back up software does not work (on my system anyhow ) Controllers STOPED WORKING etc...
firmware:3.0x (3.01 just bricked even more systems etc...) |
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| said by Anonymous_:said by Savant: said by pandora:
I'm a bit surprised Microsoft didn't disable the DVD drive on the modded consoles.
I'm not sure if that's a good way to go. 'Bricking' the console could spark a backlash, nah they will just get sued if they did that just like Sony Bricking 20/60GB so you have to pay a 150$ fee or BUY A NEW SYSTEM they continue to make a lot of money off the 20/60GB they have two classation lawsuits on that one in the US and one in Canada the Lawsuits is because the software update Bricked systems (YLOD),Bricked Blu-ray drives,cause legit games Not to work ,video output issues via hdmi,deleted game saves(SEE BRICKED SYSTEMS),back up software does not work (on my system anyhow ) Controllers STOPED WORKING etc... firmware:3.0x (3.01 just bricked even more systems etc...) You spoke too soon. According to the front page, a law firm is gearing up for a class action.
»www.itproportal.com/portal/news/···modders/
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| Law Firm Contemplates Class Action Suit To Recompense Xbox Live Modders
20 November, 2009, by Desire Athow
A US-based law firm is gearing up to file a class-action lawsuit against Microsoft for banning around one million Xbox 360 users from its Xbox Live service over the charges that they have modified their game consoles.
Abingdon Law, a Texas-based law firm, has put up the outline of its probe while looking for banned Xbox Live users to have compensation.
In its allegations, the company says that the software giant intentionally plotted its recent barring order at this juncture against the owners of modified consoles, soon after the release of some of this year’s most-awaited games.
The firm’s website quoted: “An investigation is currently being conducted regarding business practices of Microsoft with respect to its recent cancellation of certain modified Xbox consoles for use with Xbox Live”.
It further goes on to say that the software maker deliberately “timed” the Xbox console banning order, which came soon after the release of the new ‘Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2’ game, and around less than two months after the launch of the immensely popular “Halo 3: ODST game”.
The company refers to the barring of Xbox Live users a “weapon which has resulted in a great deal of collateral damage - many people were affected who had nothing to do with piracy”.
MS acted accordingly and made the right decision, nothing more than modders acting self-righteous again. Now if the modders were willing to undo the mods (if that's even possible) then MS should take those consoles off the ban list, the likelihood of either of those things happening is dismal.
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On the Xbox forum, there you can appeal a ban. I forget the name of the MS employee, but she will review your ban upon request. I'm guessing she has the ability to review whatever Microsoft saw that caused them to ban the Xbox. I believe the consequence for requesting a review, if the ban is sustained, is loss of your Xbox live account.
Some have taken her up, some have not.
The argument on the linked article, seems to complain about the timing of the ban. Personally I think that is a non-issue. Microsoft can ban a hacker at any time. I think 8AM on 12/25 would be the best possible time to ban a million or so consoles, but that's just me. 
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said by Anonymous_:said by Savant: said by pandora:
I'm a bit surprised Microsoft didn't disable the DVD drive on the modded consoles.
I'm not sure if that's a good way to go. 'Bricking' the console could spark a backlash, nah they will just get sued if they did that just like Sony Bricking 20/60GB so you have to pay a 150$ fee or BUY A NEW SYSTEM they continue to make a lot of money off the 20/60GB they have two classation lawsuits on that one in the US and one in Canada the Lawsuits is because the software update Bricked systems (YLOD),Bricked Blu-ray drives,cause legit games Not to work ,video output issues via hdmi,deleted game saves(SEE BRICKED SYSTEMS),back up software does not work (on my system anyhow ) Controllers STOPED WORKING etc... firmware:3.0x (3.01 just bricked even more systems etc...) Swing and a miss.
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said by pandora:On the Xbox forum, there you can appeal a ban. I forget the name of the MS employee, but she will review your ban upon request. I'm guessing she has the ability to review whatever Microsoft saw that caused them to ban the Xbox. I believe the consequence for requesting a review, if the ban is sustained, is loss of your Xbox live account. Some have taken her up, some have not. The argument on the linked article, seems to complain about the timing of the ban. Personally I think that is a non-issue. Microsoft can ban a hacker at any time. Personally I think 8AM on 12/25 would be the best possible time to ban a million or so consoles, but that's just me. I agree with you on the timing. Actually I think it's perfect. What a better time to nail them than when they are most excited to play online?
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said by pandora:Personally I think 8AM on 12/25 would be the best possible time to ban a million or so consoles, but that's just me. You owe me a coke, just wasted most of mine laughing it out.
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Banning someone's modded Xbox is nothing new, MS did it with the original Xbox too. It's all over the terms of service and it's no secret that it's not allowed. If it was okay you'd be able to pick up a modded console at your local retailer instead of some non-descript website or back alley shop. So you lost $50? Hope you learned a lesson.
I remember the early days on the original Xbox when using Molotov cocktails on RS3 was popular. You may be having a blast but using a glitch or exploit via a modded console is a pain in the butt for everyone else playing online. Modders are trying to gain through deception and cheating what others earn through hard work and skill and I couldn't be happier to see them get the kick in the rear they so richly deserve. You have to deal with enough crap online without having to worry about some cheater using a modded console to gain an advantage.
If you want a modded console then there is a place for you: offline. You can still cheat at your game, but don't bring it on Xbox Live and ruin everyone else's day. |
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Haha that would be great if they did ban them on 12/25 at 8am lol. That one made me laugh too. I feel sorry though for folks trying to save a buck and buying a used console. How would they know if the console was banned or not. |
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Can modded Xboxes still use xbconnect and system link? |
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Davenport, FL | said by Urnso:Can modded Xboxes still use xbconnect and system link? I don't know about the modchips, but the current disc drive modifications don't affect anything else about the 360. The idea was that they were supposed to be readily transparent, and just treat a copied game as a genuine disc. But I guess that's what the "Lite Touch" that's supposed to be coming out will be trying to do.
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