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| Dept. of HS: NSA 'Helped' Develop Vista and Windows Seven
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Following the release of Windows XP, Microsoft implemented the Security Development Lifecycle in the building of Windows Vista, touting a tangibly superior operating system in terms of security. SDL was also the critical element in bulletproofing Windows 7, the Redmond companys latest iteration of the Windows platform. But SDL should not get all the credit. In addition, it appears that the National Security Agency helped the software giant when it came down to securing Windows 7, and even Vista before it. ***
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This is interesting to say the least. . .why is the OS so shoddy if DHS and NSA resources were applied towards it's fortification? I'm perplexed. . .
Further speculative discussion centering around possible motives linked below.
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| said by Shomari :why is the OS so shoddy if DHS and NSA resources were applied towards it's fortification? I'm perplexed. . . PEBKAC. |
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  tempnexus Premium join:1999-08-11 Boston, MA
| reply to Shomari Hell I am happy.
Eitherway if they want to get in they will. At least now they used the resources to make it more secure.
I mean crap even a 9 year old kid can break into windows when physical access is present so why can't a 3 letter agency will millions in funding? now at least some of the funding has been used to also secure the system. |
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Oh, yeah - Alex Jones - That's a real credibility booster...  -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis |
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| reply to MacGyver said by MacGyver :said by Shomari :why is the OS so shoddy if DHS and NSA resources were applied towards it's fortification? I'm perplexed. . . PEBKAC. . . .I beg to differ. |
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  Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA 1 edit | reply to Shomari Windows 7 probably has all kinds of spyware communicating with Microsoft. ITS THE WORST OS FOR PRIVACY!! (Even if doing nothing wrong,PRIVACY SHOULD BE YOURS ON YOUR COMPUTER!) |
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| said by Dude111 :Windows 7 probably has all kinds of spyware communicating with Microsoft. ITS THE WORST OS FOR PRIVACY!! (Even if doing nothing wrong,PRIVACY SHOULD BE YOURS ON YOUR COMPUTER!) All MS OS' did/does....ya just have to know the OS you use and know what to turn off or monitor. |
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| reply to Dude111 said by Dude111 :Windows 7 probably has all kinds of spyware communicating with Microsoft. ITS THE WORST OS FOR PRIVACY!! (Even if doing nothing wrong,PRIVACY SHOULD BE YOURS ON YOUR COMPUTER!) Perhaps some evidence is in order here? I'm always somewhat amazed at claims like this as really putting a network sniffer on and seeing exactly what traffic there is and where it came from and where its going is really beginner security dude 101 stuff, and yet no one has been able to prove that Microsoft is spying on anyone. Certainly someone on a site with a community as large as DSLReports would have some hard evidence of such behavior.
Now I often turn on feedback features so vendors know how/what/etc I'm using their products, in some cases I do it as part of my testing of their future products and yet I've suffer no ill effects financial, personally or otherwise, so unless someone can back up these sorts of claims, I can only assume their tin foil is on way to tight. Now granted I only test products from reputable companies (including Microsoft) and Ivor's Credit Card Processor from some hackastan country isn't on my 'to test' software list as I'm sure I already know what kind of credit card processing they are going to do, so there is no need to test that 
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| reply to Shomari said by Shomari :This is interesting to say the least. . .why is the OS so shoddy if DHS and NSA resources were applied towards it's fortification? I'm perplexed. . . Perhaps for the same reason that disabling SELinux is the first suggestion in every Red Hat/CentOS how-to on the web? -- trafficcloak.com - pptp/sstp vpn services |
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  Woody79_00 I run Linux am I still a PC? Premium join:2004-07-08 united state | reply to Link Logger Another reason to use Linux I say |
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  DarkSithPro
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| said by Woody79_00 :Another reason to use Linux I say Didn't the NSA make it's own Linux Distro a while back, and released to the Public? lol |
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1 edit | said by DarkSithPro :said by Woody79_00 :Another reason to use Linux I say Didn't the NSA make it's own Linux Distro a while back, and released to the Public? lol No, it ported its "FLASK" MAC/MLS architecture to Linux so that development of the system could continue in the public domain. This was done back in 2000 and is now called SELinux. Red Hat has been enabling a SELinux profile by default for a number of years now.
SELinux is not a distro -- it's a kernel patch. And it is a different animal from what M$ has been doing. For one, SELinux is open-source so the community can be assured there are no NSA backdoors in the code. No such verification is possible with M$ and its closed code. You just have to take their word for it. |
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| said by KodiacZiller :said by DarkSithPro :said by Woody79_00 :Another reason to use Linux I say Didn't the NSA make it's own Linux Distro a while back, and released to the Public? lol No, it ported its "FLASK" MAC/MLS architecture to Linux so that development of the system could continue in the public domain. This was done back in 2000 and is now called SELinux. Red Hat has been enabling a SELinux profile by default for a number of years now. SELinux is not a distro -- it's a kernel patch. And it is a different animal from what M$ has been doing. For one, SELinux is open-source so the community can be assured there are no NSA backdoors in the code. No such verification is possible with M$ and its closed code. You just have to take their word for it. These are significant variables. . .thus the benefits to Win/Linux are difficult to gauge when weighed within this particular context.
Open source can/has been "contaminated" in the past. . .yet I tend to draw more to the open source side for the obvious reasons. |
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| reply to Shomari Microsoft denies it built 'backdoor' in Windows 7 Computerworld | November 19, 2009
Microsoft today denied that it has built a backdoor into Windows 7, a concern that surfaced yesterday after a senior National Security Agency (NSA) official testified before Congress that the agency had worked on the operating system. "Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows," a company spokeswoman said, reacting to a Computerworld story Wednesday. On Monday, Richard Schaeffer, the NSA's information assurance director, told the Senate's Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security that the agency had partnered with the developer during the creation of Windows 7 "to enhance Microsoft's operating system security guide." Echoing earlier concerns, Marc Rotenberg, the executive director of the Electronics Privacy Information Center (EPIC), questioned the wisdom of letting the NSA participate in OS development. "The key problem is that NSA has a dual mission, COMPUSEC, computer security, now called cyber security, and SIGINT, signals intelligence, in other words surveillance," Rotenberg said in an e-mail. Yesterday, he raised the issue, which isn't new, of whether the NSA pressures companies like Microsoft to craft so-called "backdoors" into their code that would let the agency track users and intercept users' communications. Rotenberg called it an "obvious concern," and added that it might be difficult for major software makers to turn down NSA "suggestions" because the U.S. federal government is an important customer. Today's categorical denial by Microsoft was accompanied by further explanation of exactly how the NSA participated in the making of Windows 7. "The work being discussed here is purely in conjunction with our Security Compliance Management Toolkit," said the spokeswoman. Microsoft's rejection of the idea that it's hidden a backdoor in Windows came as no surprise to security researchers, who yesterday expressed doubt that the company would put its reputation at such risk. "I can't imagine NSA and Microsoft would do anything deliberate, because the repercussions would be enormous if they got caught," Roger Thompson, the chief research officer of antivirus vendor AVG Technologies, said yesterday. John Pescatore, an analyst with Gartner Research, agreed. "[The concerns] are way overstated," he said today in an e-mail. "NSA worked with Microsoft and others, like Cisco, on security configuration standards for [their] products." Rotenberg still questioned NSA involvement. "The key point is that the NSA is not the right agency to promote computer security in the private sector," he argued. "The risks to end users are real -- the original NSA key escrow proposal, 'Clipper,' was a terrible idea -- and there is too little transparency about these arrangements." The Clipper chip Rotenberg referred to was a project first proposed in 1993 that would offer ultra-strong encryption, but would allow access to encrypted data by law enforcement. The NSA proposal, however, raised a firestorm of protest and the idea was ultimately dropped. »www.computerworld.com/s/article/···indows_7 -- Smokey's Security Forums »www.smokey-services.eu/forums/ Smokey's Security Weblog »smokeys.wordpress.com/ Official Jetico Inc. Support Forums »www.smokey-services.eu/ |
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| reply to Woody79_00 said by Woody79_00 :Another reason to use Linux I say With SELinux!  |
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| reply to Dude111 said by Dude111 :Windows 7 probably has all kinds of spyware communicating with Microsoft. ITS THE WORST OS FOR PRIVACY!! (Even if doing nothing wrong,PRIVACY SHOULD BE YOURS ON YOUR COMPUTER!) Yawn. More FUD from the DUDE.
Anyone who has spent any time analyzing network traffic knows that a statement like dude's isn't true. -- THIS IS SPENCER. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED - I HAVE JOE. RETURNING TO BASE. |
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| reply to Shomari I bet they helped Microsoft alright! Helped make sure there was a backdoor.  -- To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish. |
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| reply to KodiacZiller said by KodiacZiller :said by DarkSithPro :said by Woody79_00 :Another reason to use Linux I say Didn't the NSA make it's own Linux Distro a while back, and released to the Public? lol No, it ported its "FLASK" MAC/MLS architecture to Linux so that development of the system could continue in the public domain. This was done back in 2000 and is now called SELinux. Red Hat has been enabling a SELinux profile by default for a number of years now. SELinux is not a distro -- it's a kernel patch. And it is a different animal from what M$ has been doing. For one, SELinux is open-source so the community can be assured there are no NSA backdoors in the code. No such verification is possible with M$ and its closed code. You just have to take their word for it. Pardon my French, but why the f***k would anyone ever want their Government to put code into their Operating Systems? |
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| reply to rawwhide said by rawwhide :I bet they helped Microsoft alright! Helped make sure there was a backdoor. This is FUD as long you don't have proof. -- Smokey's Security Forums »www.smokey-services.eu/forums/ Smokey's Security Weblog »smokeys.wordpress.com/ Official Jetico Inc. Support Forums »www.smokey-services.eu/ |
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