 siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium
join:2002-10-12
Montreal, QC
kudos:17
 ·Bell Sympatico
| [BT] The future of BitTorrent explained From:TorrentFreak
quote:
This week The Pirate Bay confirmed it would shut down its tracker for good, instead encouraging the use of DHT, PEX and magnet links. This move confounded many BitTorrent enthusiasts, who although wishing to adapt, were confronted with hard to grasp terminology and technology. Time for some explaining.
--
siljaline
Support your local NGO |
|
| What's your point? |
|
|
|
siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium
join:2002-10-12
Montreal, QC
kudos:17 Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico
| I believe the link explains what you need to know. »torrentfreak.com/bittorrents-fut···-091120/
--
siljaline
Support your local NGO |
|
Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
 ·Virgin Mobile Br..
| reply to siljaline
They didn't do a very good job of explaining anything.
All the discussion about "hashing" sounds like eMule and what do you think of when discussing eMule? SLOW!
I've used Azaureus and Transmission which are mentioned in the article as having desirable non-tracker features: bah, humbug. Neither one seemed to be that great for finding sources outside of the tracker. |
|
 neochu
join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON | reply to siljaline
I don't think the technology really is clear outside of the eMULE idea either. They haven't done much else to differentiate it and their not addressing questions about some really serious issues that could arise.
I'm thinking with the issues that eMULE has that its nothing but a relabelled eMULE.
I think the circumstances though are keeping things fuzzy and their not talking right now (at least publicly) for those specific reasons.
I can see 2 end points for this decision really.
1.) the technology does slowly get implemented and improved with characteristics that are desirable (accessibility, speed, and data integrity) and this is just a "growing pains" issue as the bugs are worked out. The two options continue side by side until one can fill the needs of both or the system degrades slowly until such bugs are worked out if ever.
2.) Someone else fills the gap and the torch is passed to new providers as the old ones break off to an unused standard and the circle resumes. Expect degradation until this happens. |
|
siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium
join:2002-10-12
Montreal, QC
kudos:17 Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | @ neochu 
Are you commenting to the remarks by prestonlewis ?
»Re: [BT] The future of BitTorrent explained |
|
| reply to siljaline
I heard if pirate-bay shuts down. Then 50% of Torrents also go down with it. DHT takes a long time to find peers and even then the downloads might be even slower on BT. |
|
siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium
join:2002-10-12
Montreal, QC
kudos:17 Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico
| said by crese24:I heard if pirate-bay shuts down. Then 50% of Torrents also go down with it. DHT takes a long time to find peers and even then the downloads might be even slower on BT. TPB will close as we currently know it, that's a given.
As for your remarks of DHT with uTorrent, I can't speak to that other than uTorrent 2.0 (still in Beta) will fully support these emerging technologies.
--
siljaline
Support your local NGO |
|
 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | reply to siljaline
Torrents from The Pirate Bay still work, even though the tracker is down. Initially, the tracker information shows that they go to TPB's tracker, but after updating, they redirect to Openbittorrent.com's tracker instead. They do take a little longer than normal to get going.
--
"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
|
|
neochu
join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON
2 edits | reply to siljaline
Yes I apologize though I was making comments in general to the thread at the same time.
I can see how this will improve things but as is with most "decentralized" networks the integrity is going to suffer without a definite authority or source to compare the data you are receiving to.
The data doesn't have to be hosted on-site and you can spread out through the swarm but what the data is and how to verify it needs to be centrally located. What this type of protocol seems to do though is put these elements off-site without along with the data itself.
Unless someone actually sits down and explains how such things work it looks kind of an oxymoron to me at least.
It may be a protocol issue that someone hasn't found a way to explain it in simple terms or just something that is going to require advanced skills or knowledge to implement.
For example the file listing and "codex" needed to check your data (thats already in a standard .torrent file) has to be downloaded from the swarm through the "magnet link" before you can select the files and data you want from a batch.
Essentially it sounds like your "torrenting the torrent file" along with the data your downloading and waisting a lot of time and resources to do so.
There should be a way to discard the data until you receive the codex (.torrent) and can select what you want out of the batch to begin downloading.
As i am understanding as well the central tracker maintains a list of connected clients that a client can go one by one until they have a connection to begin the download (with peer exchange being extra peers with the like information). Then you keep updating with that tracker and repeating continuously as you refresh the tracker.
Essentially upon connecting to the swarm your blind and without without a map or codex to understand what your being sent and that will definitely cause slowdowns and integrity issues that are going to have to be addressed.
Something like a "magnet URL" FAQ at some point probably needs to be implemented and wrote to at least address these concerns if it is really going to take off as desired.
Its just now the expectation is for people to switch suddenly without knowing what is going on (without a guide) and that seems to be the biggest barrier to this. |
|
