 Smokey Bearveritas odium paritPremium
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kudos:4 | PS3 to crack pedophile passwords NetworkWorld | 11/19/2009
Federal officials have put the PS3 to work breaking passwords on computer equipment confiscated from suspected child pornographers. according to a story released on the Scripps Howard Foundation wire. "Bad guys are encrypting their stuff now, so we need a methodology of hacking on that to try to break passwords," Claude E. Davenport, an agent in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Cyber Crimes Center, told the Scripps reporter. "The Playstation 3 - its processing component - is perfect for large-scale library attacks." Agents need computing power to break these codes because while a search warrant allows them to seize incriminating documents or digital evidence, the Fourth Amendment grants suspects the right to withhold their password information. To crack the code (there are over 280 trillian possible strings in a six-character alphanumeric password) C3 needs the processing power of about $11,000 worth of computers, which is now being provided by a network of PS3 consoles at a quarter of the cost.
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kudos:1 | I commented on their misuse of 'trillian' for 'trillion'. Can you tell I'm bored and can't sleep?
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kudos:4 | said by DrStrange:I commented on their misuse of 'trillian' for 'trillion'. Can you tell I'm bored and can't sleep? You are bored, please use your valuable time for useful activities. 
The more pedos they get off the street and off the 'net, the better.
Agreed.
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The PS3 is starting to become a very useful game console with it's cell processor. It already supports Folding@Home, so why not use it for other things! Of course, PCs with CUDA/ATi Stream Processing and a Quad Core CPU can crunch through quite a bit a day as well.
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Oh no - think of the children!
Note the use of the word "suspected" in the article. And given the ever-broadening definition of child porn, I have to wonder if this is another case of a 15-year-old boy having naked pictures of his 15-year-old girlfriend.
You guys are way too eager to give up our privacy. Today you're applauding that there's a technological fix to the pesky Fourth Amendment problem. Maybe tomorrow you won't be so thrilled when your wife's attorney subpoenas your computer in the divorce. If that day comes you too will be in the ill-defined "bad guys" category, and will be doing a tad less fist-pumping when the PS3s are deployed. |
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Troy, NY | said by swsnyder:You guys are way too eager to give up our privacy. Today you're applauding that there's a technological fix to the pesky Fourth Amendment problem. Maybe tomorrow you won't be so thrilled when your wife's attorney subpoenas your computer in the divorce. If that day comes you too will be in the ill-defined "bad guys" category, and will be doing a tad less fist-pumping when the PS3s are deployed. Are you saying that the police, with a warrant signed by a judge, have no justification in trying to break encryption?
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1 edit | said by Rogue Wolf:said by swsnyder:You guys are way too eager to give up our privacy. Today you're applauding that there's a technological fix to the pesky Fourth Amendment problem. Maybe tomorrow you won't be so thrilled when your wife's attorney subpoenas your computer in the divorce. If that day comes you too will be in the ill-defined "bad guys" category, and will be doing a tad less fist-pumping when the PS3s are deployed. Are you saying that the police, with a warrant signed by a judge, have no justification in trying to break encryption? I hope responsible use of encryption is being encouraged also. If it is a family pc then a simple password (incase forgotten) should be used.
Why you would choose not to co-operate and offer your password is more the point.
In a divorce scenario you would hope that financial information would be made available regardless. I can't think of a reasonable excuse off-hand why not...sorry.
EDIT: grammar
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> Are you saying that the police, with a warrant signed by a judge, have no justification in trying to break encryption?
Certainly the authorities have a legal right under the circumstances you cited.
I'm just dismayed at how willing some of us are to cede our rights when the child porn (or religious extremists, etc.) bogeyman is trotted out. We lose a teensy bit of autonomy each time. And since the problem is never fully resolved, we have to give up more and more and more to bring the War On Something-or-other to a successful conclusion.
If the first 2 posters above recognize that they too are being diminished, if only trivially, it certainly isn't reflected in their posts. |
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australia | Prior to encryption people would have little ability to hide anything physical other than their smarts.
Encryption has been (digitally) in regards to child porn etc only a brief exemption. The ability to erode this brief moment is not much of a civil right infringement but more of a delayed technology catch-up. Coinciding with a massive increase in cheap storage and download capacity.
The right to search everything physical has always been in the government and courts favor.
I don't see the exception ever being reversed. 
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australia | reply to Smokey Bear
I think the argument or worry for most people lies more within do you trust the integrity of those entrusted with investigating such material rather than claiming lose of privacy.
Courts have generally been quite reluctant to even issue warrants for such searches without due cause. The computer is not immune nor adversely increases the likely hood of such infrigements of privacy.
The resources need for this are more often than not reserved for actively known or serious offenders anyway.
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| said by ashrc4:I think the argument or worry for most people lies more within do you trust the integrity of those entrusted with investigating such material rather than claiming lose of privacy. ... Uhmm... not just the integrity. Add in the competency, the training, the preformed biases, and the ability to exercise sound judgment on the part of the "entrusted" people. You see, most of those people are appointees or career civil servants of one form or another, and they have not been directly scrutinized in such areas by the citizenry at large. And while most of those public servants may likely be dedicated, committed, well-trained, and hard-working, there is no way for the citizenry to know which are and which aren't. But knowing human nature and past history, most folks recognize that there will be abuses... which they certainly don't want directed at themselves.
IMHO, a natural skepticism is healthy for the citizenry with regard to those "entrusted" with such things... and that skepticism will carry over into a concern about the power of the tools given to them, as well as the effectiveness and completeness of oversight of their "policing" activities. At unexpected points of life and in unanticipated situtations, policing can become invasion.
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I wonder how well those PS3's would work against .. Oh
The perfect password....
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1 edit | said by ashrc4:said by Rogue Wolf:said by swsnyder:You guys are way too eager to give up our privacy. Today you're applauding that there's a technological fix to the pesky Fourth Amendment problem. Maybe tomorrow you won't be so thrilled when your wife's attorney subpoenas your computer in the divorce. If that day comes you too will be in the ill-defined "bad guys" category, and will be doing a tad less fist-pumping when the PS3s are deployed. Are you saying that the police, with a warrant signed by a judge, have no justification in trying to break encryption? I hope responsible use of encryption is being encouraged also. If it is a family pc then a simple password (incase forgotten) should be used. What exactly is "responsible use of encryption?" Are you suggesting that people should use weak passwords just to appease the police when they bust in the door? With attitudes like this, it's no wonder Australia (with its Internet filtering legislation by religious extremists) is entering 1984 almost as fast as Britain.
And it's not just the password length that matters, but the hash used. Let's see how effective the PS3's are against SHA-256 hashed 63 character random passwords.  |
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australia | said by KodiacZiller:What exactly is "responsible use of encryption?" Are you suggesting that people should use weak passwords just to appease the police when they bust in the door? With attitudes like this, it's no wonder Australia (with its Internet filtering legislation by religious extremists) is entering 1984 almost as fast as Britain. The point of encryption of a home/family pc in regards to porn(thread reference) was to reverse the OP's article. Encryption should also be encouraged to limit private access. Hence responsible. The simpler password suggestion is for the unlikley event that should you find yourself "having to" provide, the most likely reality. Not being able to supply it may be taken the wrong way and could become costly.
"Busting down the door" and reason to "appease" are not concerns of mine, nor was the advice intended for such. 
Responsible use/storage/acquiring of said material is perhaps the complete opposite of filtering maybe.
This was just general advice. If you are competent with password management/back-up and the potential failure of encryption products, use what you like.
Especially in an environment where data security becomes more of an issue.
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said by Blackbird:Uhmm... not just the integrity. Add in the competency, the training, the preformed biases, and the ability to exercise sound judgment on the part of the "entrusted" people. You see, most of those people are appointees or career civil servants of one form or another, and they have not been directly scrutinized in such areas by the citizenry at large. And while most of those public servants may likely be dedicated, committed, well-trained, and hard-working, there is no way for the citizenry to know which are and which aren't. But knowing human nature and past history, most folks recognize that there will be abuses... which they certainly don't want directed at themselves. IMHO, a natural skepticism is healthy for the citizenry with regard to those "entrusted" with such things... and that skepticism will carry over into a concern about the power of the tools given to them, as well as the effectiveness and completeness of oversight of their "policing" activities. At unexpected points of life and in unanticipated situtations, policing can become invasion. Perfection is a myth and percentage will rule the day.
I agree that a system of scrutiny from both government and citizenry is paramount. I think i was only suggesting that the argument lay in this realm.
In order to have any ability to prove or manage criminal activity we must unfortunately accept a community default on the topic. For me this is the only obvious way to deal with the problem.
EDIT: add : Can you imagine AMERICA without the need for evidence.
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