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bsoft
join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | reply to BF69
Re: Usenet + Encryption / Private BitTorrent Freedom is the right to defend yourself, including the right to a trial (in most instances) if you are accused of breaking the law.
Yes, Verizon is a private company, and yes, they can cut you off for practically any reason (the TOS you agreed to says so). Verizon is acting fully within the law.
However, there's something profoundly un-free about the fact that powerful media organizations with no oversight (the RIAA and MPAA, among others) now apparently have the ability to get your Internet service cut off.
It's one thing to sue people who are pirating movies or music. It may not be the best PR or business move, and I don't agree with the exorbitant damages, but it least it gives the accused a chance to defend themselves.
The "new" process, where your ISP cuts you off, doesn't give you the chance to invoke discovery to research the process used to evidence against you, it doesn't give you the chance to call expert witnesses that might be able to exonerate you, and it doesn't give you the chance to have your case heard by a jury of your peers.
Verizon basically is saying that they can be judge, jury, and executioner. Legally, they are well within their rights.
Does it infringe on your freedom? Absolutely. It infringes on your right to due process. | |
| said by bsoft 
Verizon basically is saying that they can be judge, jury, and executioner. Legally, they are well within their rights.
Does it infringe on your freedom? Absolutely. It infringes on your right to due process.
[/BQUOTE :What freedom is infringed upon? It is THEIR network. You are paying them for access. If you paid ME for access to MY network, I am obligated to permit you access as long as: 1. You continued to pay AND 2. I accepted the money. As soon as I decide to no longer accept your money, I am no longer obligated to permit you access. After all, it is MY RIGHT as the owner of the network to determine who I will sell to. I may decide I don't like people who use a name like "bsoft", and use that as a basis. It is NOT discrimination, it is a choice on my part whether to serve you or not. --
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by butchevans:As soon as I decide to no longer accept your money, I am no longer obligated to permit you access. After all, it is MY RIGHT as the owner of the network to determine who I will sell to. I may decide I don't like people who use a name like "bsoft", and use that as a basis. It is NOT discrimination, it is a choice on my part whether to serve you or not. Well, the gov't doesn't subscribe to your philosophy anymore. Remember stores with signs that said " We have the right to refuse service to anyone". Well now that is against the law based on race, religion, sexual orientation, physical handicap, etc.
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| said by Linklist:Well, the gov't doesn't subscribe to your philosophy anymore. Remember stores with signs that said " We have the right to refuse service to anyone". Well now that is against the law based on race, religion, sexual orientation, physical handicap, etc. I used the example based on dislike of a name. I don't think race or religion came into it. Either way, as a network operator, I HAVE chosen to refuse service in the past. I have done so as a consultant as well. Until I accept money, I am not obligated to provide service. It's the main reason I chose NOT to participate in the money grab that is called an "economic stimulus". It will be the government's network too soon for my taste anyway.
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