 SUMwarePremium join:2002-05-21 kudos:2 | The Government Has Your Baby's DNA From CNN February 4, 2010 - said by Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Senior Medical Correspondent : The government has your baby's DNA
Newborn babies in the United States are routinely screened for a panel of genetic diseases. Since the testing is mandated by the government, it's often done without the parents' consent, according to Brad Therrell, director of the National Newborn Screening & Genetics Resource Center.
In many states, such as Florida, ... babies' DNA is stored indefinitely, according to the resource center.
Many parents don't realize their baby's DNA is being stored in a government lab, but sometimes when they find out, ... they take action. Parents in Texas, and Minnesota have filed lawsuits, and these parents' concerns are sparking a new debate about whether it's appropriate for a baby's genetic blueprint to be in the government's possession.
According to the state of Minnesota's Web site, samples are kept so that tests can be repeated, if necessary, and in case the DNA is ever need to help parents identify a missing or deceased child. The samples are also used for medical research.
Art Caplan, a bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania, says he understands why states don't first ask permission to screen babies for genetic diseases. "It's paternalistic, but the state has an overriding interest in protecting these babies," he says.
However, he added that storage of DNA for long periods of time is a different matter.
"I don't see any reason to do that kind of storage," Caplan says. "If it's anonymous, then I don't care. I don't have an issue with that. But if you keep names attached to those samples, that makes me nervous."
Genetic testing for newborns started in the 1960s with testing for diseases and conditions that, if undetected, could kill a child or cause severe problems, such as mental retardation. Since then, the screening has helped save countless newborns.
Over the years, many other tests were added to the list. Now, states mandate that newborns be tested for anywhere between 28 and 54 different conditions, and the DNA samples are stored in state labs for anywhere from three months to indefinitely, depending on the state. (To find out how long your baby's DNA is stored, see this state-by-state list.)
Brad Therrell, who runs the federally funded genetic resource consortium, says parents don't need to worry about the privacy of their babies' DNA.
"The states have in place very rigid controls on those specimens," Therrell says. "If my children's DNA were in one of these state labs, I wouldn't be worried a bit."
The specimens don't always stay in the state labs. They're often given to outside researchers -- sometimes with the baby's name attached.
According to a study done by the state of Minnesota, more than 20 scientific papers have been published in the United States since 2000 using newborn blood samples.
The researchers do not have to have parental consent to obtain samples as long as the baby's name is not attached, according to Amy Gaviglio, one of the authors of the Minnesota report. However, she says it's her understanding that if a researcher wants a sample with a baby's name attached, consent first must be obtained from the parents.
Scientists have heralded this enormous collection of DNA samples as a "gold mine" for doing research, according to Gaviglio.
"This sample population would be virtually impossible to get otherwise," says Gaviglio, a genetic counselor for the Minnesota Department of Health. "Researchers go through a very stringent process to obtain the samples. States certainly don't provide samples to just anyone."
Caplan says taking DNA samples without asking permission and then storing them "veers from the norm."
"In the military, for instance, they take and store DNA samples, but they tell you they're doing it, and you can choose not to join if you don't like it," he says.
In some states, including Minnesota and Texas, the states are required to destroy a baby's DNA sample if a parent requests it. Parents who want their baby's DNA destroyed are asked to fill out this form in Minnesota [pdf] and this form in Texas [pdf].
Parents in other states have less recourse, says Therrell, who runs the genetic testing group. "You'd probably have to write a letter to the state saying, 'Please destroy my sample,'" he says.
He adds, however, that it's not clear whether a state would necessarily obey your wishes. "I suspect it would be very difficult to get those states to destroy your baby's sample," he says.
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5 | If the babies haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. |
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 | said by Steve:If the babies haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. OK, but suppose the baby has a medical condition that will be evident later - if insurance companies get the info, they can deny coverage as soon as possible. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5 | said by carpetshark3:OK, but suppose the baby has a medical condition that will be evident later - if insurance companies get the info, they can deny coverage as soon as possible. Looks like I shoulda ponied up my two bucks |
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 SUMwarePremium join:2002-05-21 kudos:2 1 edit | reply to carpetshark3 said by carpetshark3:said by Steve:If the babies haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. OK, but suppose the baby has a medical condition that will be evident later - if insurance companies get the info, they can deny coverage as soon as possible. That's one of the implications of the article. It presents serious issues. Those who actually read it would know that I've edited the personal story of concerned parents for their child. quote: When Annie Brown's daughter, Isabel, was a month old, her pediatrician asked Brown and her husband to sit down because he had some bad news to tell them: Isabel carried a gene that put her at risk for cystic fibrosis.
While grateful to have the information -- Isabel received further testing and she doesn't have the disease -- the Mankato, Minnesota, couple wondered how the doctor knew about Isabel's genes in the first place. After all, they'd never consented to genetic testing.
It's simple, the pediatrician answered: Newborn babies in the United States are routinely screened for a panel of genetic diseases.
"It's really a black mark against her, and there's nothing we can do to get it off there," Brown says. "And let's say in the future they can test for a gene for schizophrenia or manic-depression and your baby tests positive -- that would be on there, too."
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| said by SUMware:Hardly a laughing matter. And who's laughing? Let me explain it.
- When faced with any intrusion into privacy, there is some element which will say "what does it matter if you've nothing to hide?". This is perfectly predictable; it happens almost every time.
- But of course, the "nothing to hide" argument is beside the point; the point is the individual right to privacy, full stop.
- Someone might well respond to your OP by writing that "of course, there will doubtless be those who advance the argument that if you've got nothing to hide...". However, one can more succinctly state the same thing in exactly the way that Steve did, confident that the actual meaning should be obvious.
- Alas, as shown, no matter how obvious one's point might be, somewhere there's someone who will misconstrue it. |
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 SUMwarePremium join:2002-05-21 kudos:2 4 edits | said by dave:said by SUMware:Hardly a laughing matter. And who's laughing? Let me explain it. - Someone might well respond to your OP by writing that "of course, there will doubtless be those who advance the argument that if you've got nothing to hide...". However, one can more succinctly state the same thing in exactly the way that Steve did, confident that the actual meaning should be obvious. - Alas, as shown, no matter how obvious one's point might be, somewhere there's someone who will misconstrue it. BS. Did the parents or child know that the child carried the gene indicating risk of cystic fibrosis (or anything else) prior to testing? If they did would they choose to hide it? How would any of that even be possible? Were they informed that records were maintained and shared? If the the parents or child knew prior to testing would they have agreed to testing? At any time, prior or post testing, were they offered the option of having the test results destroyed to preserve confidentiality? Were they afforded any privacy options? Are the parents now deeply concerned about their baby's future and implications of data sharing (or theft). Some people just seem intentionally blind to the issues. Sometimes real people face real agony and pain and unpleasant circumstance. Perhaps some readers here. Civil sensitivity may be appreciated. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5 | Um, you realize that I'm on the same side as you, right? |
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 SUMwarePremium join:2002-05-21 kudos:2 2 edits | Understand. My response was to dave. The concern is about the parents, their child, testing issues, data security, privacy. Not 'sides'. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5 | said by SUMware:My response was to dave. Um, you realize that dave is on the same side as you, right? |
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 SUMwarePremium join:2002-05-21 kudos:2 | Look guys, there's no need for you both to speak for each other.
We've all made our statements clear. Please let's not detract from this topic. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5 | said by SUMware: We've all made our statements clear. No, you really haven't - I have no idea what your beef is. |
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 SUMwarePremium join:2002-05-21 kudos:2 | reply to SUMware If I misinterpreted anyone's remark, my apologies. Suffisamment? |
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 jaykaykay4 Ever YoungPremium,MVM join:2000-04-13 Scottsdale, AZ kudos:19 | reply to SUMware My feeling is that nothing is private any more anyway. What is being done stinks, but we lost our privacy, generally, quite some time ago, IMHO. |
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 StepRCode WarriorPremium join:2000-11-06 Elgin, IL | reply to carpetshark3 said by carpetshark3:said by Steve:If the babies haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. OK, but suppose the baby has a medical condition that will be evident later - if insurance companies get the info, they can deny coverage as soon as possible. In theory, GINA, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008, would prevent employers and group plans from considering the information. »www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/genetic.cfm |
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 ironwalker World RenownedPremium,MVM join:2001-08-31 Keansburg, NJ | said by StepR:said by carpetshark3:said by Steve:If the babies haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. OK, but suppose the baby has a medical condition that will be evident later - if insurance companies get the info, they can deny coverage as soon as possible. In theory, GINA, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008, would prevent employers and group plans from considering the information. » www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/genetic.cfm How would anyone even know they considered the info before acting....they can't. -- Live Free or Die! www.sidux.com www.chronixradio.com
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 | reply to Steve said by Steve:said by SUMware:My response was to dave. Um, you realize that dave  is on the same side as you, right? LOL
Where's that sarcasm tag when you need it?
You should have used it here. Could have saved justin a few KBs storage  |
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 1 edit | reply to SUMware quote: Art Caplan, a bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania, says he understands why states don't first ask permission to screen babies for genetic diseases. "It's paternalistic, but the state has an overriding interest in protecting these babies," he says.
What overriding interest does the Government have that parents dont??? |
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 1 edit | The Government takes newborn baby's blood samples to create race-specific viruses like the HIV virus.
Thats how the AIDS virus got created.... |
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| reply to fifty nine said by fifty nine: quote: Art Caplan, a bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania, says he understands why states don't first ask permission to screen babies for genetic diseases. "It's paternalistic, but the state has an overriding interest in protecting these babies," he says.
What overriding interest does the Government have that parents dont??? Sometimes big brother is watching for trends. For example they watch emergency calls for trends which might indicate outbreaks of diseases, or chemical leaks or other environmental issues, bioweapons, etc.
Now if I want your DNA, I can get it like 5 billion different ways so obtaining it isn't the problem (even so called legally so if the Insurance companies really wanted your DNA its theirs), the issue at stake with the Government having your DNA is connecting that DNA to you and even if they strip off the 'name' etc, DNA by its very nature can connect people, so if I know one person on the chain, I can work my way over to you via your DNA.
Now there is the benefit of research and I like some of its benefits, so I'm not about to write off something without considering all sides and I'm not so sure the upside here isn't better then the downside.
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