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Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
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| reply to 2farfromCO7
Re: Sounds great!
Ask the Brits how much they like BT.
A govt run telecom can't fail. If the government doesn't like how things are going, well, they have all the guns + a printing press to raise cash, just like in Argentina.
If a govt telecom did fail, it probably is because they were occupied and conquered.
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Dirk Daring
join:2000-08-03
Ashburn, VA
| reply to 2farfromCO7
You know... I was going to flame your 'republican this, republican that' bull*hit viewpoint... but I don't think I will now. It's far more entertaining to watch you make yourself look like an idiot when its clear you don't know a thing about politics.
Keep up the 'anti-republican' posts. I for one, am enjoying the laugh!
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Eatmeingreek
Gentard
join:2001-06-29
San Francisco, CA
| reply to 2farfromCO7
OK, I give you the phone system in Argentina before it was privatized. It would take years and cost thousands of dollars to get a POTS line. No, not in the distant past, it happened as recently as the late '80s.
Uruguay's phone system was similarly screwed up, but it improved markedly after the return of Democracy in 1985. They've had to improve because private cell phone companies are eating them alive. However, I'm sure it's still vastly more expensive and takes longer to get than phone service here in the U.S. I'll check with my relatives and get back to you.
Satisfied? Now please stop shouting.
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL |  reply to 2farfromCO7
IRS. 'nuff said  . |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| reply to Eatmeingreek
Well fine then have the goverment own the infrastructure. That's fine too. However, you do realize that isn't the viewpoint shared by any REPUBLICAN. REPUBLICANS LIKE THE MONOPOLY STATUS QUO. How can you say that government run companies suck hard when you've never seen it. Didn't you read the initial posts $38 digital cable adn $30 cable modems??? Does that suck???? I'd throw the largest celebration in the history of humanity if my city got that. Please, don't just give me the same copout commie bashie rhetoric give me evidence. I WANT 1 EXAMPLE OF ONE FORM OF GOVERNMENT RUN TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD THAT HAS EVER FAILED!!!!! SOMEBODY GIVE ME 1 EXAMPLE OR I DECLARE MYSELF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS GENIUS OF THE UNIVERSE. |
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natter
join:2000-12-18
Littleton, CO
| reply to Eatmeingreek
"If you can't get service from someone else, and you can't live without this service, they can charge you whatever they want, and you will pay it. No matter how shoddy the service. Because it's better than the alternative - no service. That's why phone and power companies have to be regulated."
So true. I used to have dsl and then I bought a house. No dsl or cable here. I got this wireless connection that is great when it's great (60% of the time).
I could never go back to dialup. I would rather just read a book at night. haha |
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Eatmeingreek
Gentard
join:2001-06-29
San Francisco, CA
| reply to 2farfromCO7
said by 2farfromCO:
I'm sick of people just blindly bashing all government run businesses without examining it intellectually.
All government run businesses suck - hard. Amtrak anyone? Or maybe the US Post Office.
Having said that, the only thing worse than a public monopoly is a private one.
Capitalism is such that a for profit company will always screw their customers if they have a monopoly. This is necessarily true. It costs less to give you less service.
If you can't get service from someone else, and you can't live without this service, they can charge you whatever they want, and you will pay it. No matter how shoddy the service. Because it's better than the alternative - no service. That's why phone and power companies have to be regulated.
Most other things you can't live without are publicly owned monopolies, like the water service, and rightly so. I believe all infrastructure whose nature is such that it makes competition infeasible should be publicly owned.
I'm all for my city/county owning and maintaining the communications media to my house. But I also want to be able to pick between several providers of content over that medium, be it TV, voice, and/or Internet access. Ideally I'd like to be able to pick and choose so I could get my phone service from one company, and Internet access from another, for example.
Not that it'll ever happen. Local politicians are usually too corrupt, and the large communications companies have too much money to grease their palms. But I can dream.
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vice8686
join:2000-10-13
Lancaster, CA
| reply to zoom314
I'm in the same boat as you here in Lancaster. But, I was fortunate enough to get IDSL. At $105/month, it's alot, but not enough for me to go back to dial-up. We have Adelphia cable out here, and like you, we're waiting patiently for them to complete whatever they have to complete in order for us to get internet service through them. |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| reply to dnoyeB
said by dnoyeB:
ISDN is the beauty of the internet. It works just like it was designed too.
ISDN is not the beauty of the internet around here as Verizon can Charge whatever They want per Hour for Data (otherwise known as Internet Access) Traffic on ISDN, While for Voice access Verizon charges a Fixed monthly fee, Otherwise I have to agree with What you said. I would get DSL, but I live beyond Verizons (ex-GTE) 16,200 foot DSL limit and There is no IDSL out here as Verizon will not allow It as They have a Cash Cow known as ISDN already in place, And thats as modern as We get here, At least until Charter Pipeline gets done putting in the Fiber Optic cable everywhere across Hesperia. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| reply to stevent$
So, it was already a monopoly. At least this monopoly will be held accountable for their actions. What accountability does your privitized cable monopoly have??? None. If your socialized cable monopoly screws up, they get voted out of office and are unemployed. That's accountability and responsibility. EVERY TRUE REPUBLICAN SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SOCIALIZING ALL MONOPOLIES BECAUSE THAT WOULD ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY. I'm sick of people just blindly bashing all government run businesses without examining it intellectually. It's very easy to just dismiss it as being commie. |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
 ·Verizon FIOS
|  reply to Nightfall
This certainly could be good, especially if done correctly, and they do take care of deploying it carefully. They would have to consider the kinds of bandwidth stresses that may happen at maximum bandwidth saturation per home, and gauge accordingly; this overselling of bandwidth only leads to trouble.
I myself have been quite satisfied with my DSL provider, as I've had no real problems with them, except for mainly the USB modem that they had sent me initially. However, going with their PCI version really fixed a lot of that, as well as going with a new OS .
Being where I am, there's no way that OOL would probably come down here, but if they did, I would probably sign up, for they seem to be the singular example of providing really good cable-modem access to their customers, according to the many reviews about the ISP on here. Just wish that they could come down south!  OOL - IMHO - would probably be the only cable-modem ISP that I would really consider favoring over my current DSL service.
However, if the city started to provide the i-net access for a good price, I might switch. but only if they take great care of making sure that the speed is there, and that the latency is low. I do too many things that require low latency for me to put up with anything getting dialup pings at ANY time of day.
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djdanska
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Glen Ellyn, IL
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| reply to Nightfall
They Won't care
I don't think that they would care too much. Heck, they could even sell the existing system to the city cheap. Most of those towns where served by jones intercable. The system is in so bad shape, and needs major upgrades. One less thing they have to do.
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stevent$
Since 1965
Premium
join:2000-08-31
Mohrsville, PA
| reply to Nightfall
Re: Sounds great!
Yeah, it sounds OK.....until you have to live it. In Kutztown, PA, that's the way things are run and many of the residents don't like it because of the monopoly. The town has squashed all competition.
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| reply to Nightfall
This time I have to agree with you. ISDN is the beauty of the internet. It works just like it was designed too. Nowadays there is an ISDN "network" which means if you join 1 ISDN service, you can get service all across america. They share the phone lines. So 90% of companies in my area that sell ISDN use the same ISDN phone numbers and modems and networks. I pay same for ISDN as I do for dialup ~$13/month. and as you said $25 dual channel if my wife will hang up the dang phone...
Thats how DSL was supposed to be...We shall see.
I loved ISDN. All the rest are getting on my nerves. I would love to pay for cable by the bit. I would use ISDN all the time, and use cable to download RPMs and software patches, game demos, etc.
I still have ISDN telephone because you get 2 phones with it and its cheaper than 2 phones without ISDN!
Privitization. Why? Its so obviously an evil thing. It simply makes some family rich. And only those who are already rich can afford to make a bid on the privatized service. This does not serve the people. Anyone hear the excellent report today on Amtrak privitization being proposed?
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man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
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Back when I had ISDN to the internet, I was looking all over for a ISDN provider that was reasonable. I found a "company" here in town that gave me dual channel ISDN for $25 a month. That was for unlimited! I was skeptical at first, but after I saw how good the service was, I stayed with them till I got cable modem access.
This company was a mom and pop ISP that had all of its customers via word of mouth. They had a couple T1 links to the internet and had a strong userbase.
This idea of users providing broadband sounds great for those areas that lack the access. As a user who has been through the @home transition and watching it slowly die, I know that this kind of broadband doesn't have the cashflow that the big boys have. That said, I would like to see these movements gather strength and broadband use spread. I just don't want to see these providers come up and die in a year.
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