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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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when the going gets tough...

when the going gets tough (aka Verizon digital voice), the tough find more ways to buy tax writeoffs.

Now Verizon can offer a $90-$99 deal inclusive of fees, and eliminate most (if not all) Digital Voice fees and provide an apples to apples... Cablevision must cut prices or else... upgrade service. I thought this move was at least another 4-10 years out by Verizon-- once they sold off all unprofitables and unloaded billions more.

Perhaps it's a public relations thing.. Cablevision is expanding their footprint, whilest Verizon is cutting theirs. It's also a given that Verizon had/has a HUGE footprint to begin with.

I bet at&t is very unhappy with all that economic turmOIL in the south usa.. that means less business in their newly purchased Bell South investment.. boo hoo.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
VZ isn't going to cut fees. They make $$$$ of those "unfees". It's pure profit for them to charge you all the fees on landlines.

Digital Voice is just a new service they can offer over the FiOS and that will be about it.
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
kudos:3
reply to tmc8080
Maybe Verizon will:

1. Sell off non-profitable markets
2. Cutback FiOS rollout for a while
3. Eventually buy Cablevision

Think about it!

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
we had that happen before. But instead the Telco actually built out as an over builder. Remember AmeriCast? Which is now WOW? It was Ameritech's baby until SBC came along and sold the markets and WOW took over and rebuilt again just a few years later.

On the other hand Cinci Bell bought an overbuilder MSO a few years back.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
reply to NY Tel
said by NY Tel:

Maybe Verizon will:

1. Sell off non-profitable markets
2. Cutback FiOS rollout for a while
3. Eventually buy Cablevision

Think about it!
No, HFC is obsolete. CV might be worthwhile to buy it for its Lightpath Business fiber division, to get rid of its lowball prices (as compared to ILEC SLA fiber). Theres also anti-trust regulations, you have to maintain the illusion of competition.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
HFC is FAR from obsolete! Where do people come up with this information at?

HFC has far more power left than people realize. But of course everyone one here wants FiOS or FTTH when Cable still has YEARS and YEARS left. The only FTTN that is obsolete is U-Verse.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by hottboiinnc:

HFC is FAR from obsolete! Where do people come up with this information at?
1 Fiber = 10 gbps*80 lambas = 800 gbps today in commercial world
1 coax = 38 mbps [qam 256] *(870/6) = 5.5 gbps

now to be fair, lets upgrade HFC to bleeding edge specs that nobody has deployed
1 coax = 53 mbps [qam 1024]*(1000[mhz]/6) = 8.8 gbps

commercialized fiber available today is 2 orders of magnitude more bandwidth than the best idealized vaporware HFC speed

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
have you heard of DOCSIS 3 and node splitting?? which proves that HFC is NOT obsolete. There is room for MSOs to grow on that network and they will. Look at Comcast and the speeds they're pushing out. VZ just started pushing out those speeds and had to build out a complete new network to even thing about it due to their copper only being able to hold only maybe 3megs down. Cable is up to what? 100+ megs with just a simple upgrade in the CMTS node split and new modem. And when the time is right they can deploy FTTH in just a under 2 years to their entire footprint unlike VZ and ATT.

It does sound like you've been drinking the VZ koolaid though.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
800 gbps today > 8 gbps vaporware

I'm done here.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
vaporware? LMAO! WTFE! Go lobby some more for VZ.