 Mr Stonestupid should be painfulPremium
join:2001-06-20
From hell | Extreme gaming system build/upgrade HelpA friend of mine has a old system I built for him about 4 years back. You can check my setup and see what he basically has now. This guy is into Microsoft Flight Simulator in a very big way. Can we say a freak about the flight thing? I like to have just 1 tenth of what he has just in his flight room.
He is going to keep his case and PSU and sound card. He is running Windows 7 Ultimate.
Case.
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···11129154
PSU/ Just bought. Unless it won't do the job for the Extreme system
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···Corsair%
20HX1000W
I have been out of the building gaming systems for a few years and need some help.
He has a budget of $2000. or more if needed.
I have come up with a few things so far.
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22136555
This size is a must for just the flight and all the add ons. He has 4 other drives he can use for other things needed, media, programs and so on. I think the SSD drives need a few more years before they get them right. Just my thought on the SSD.
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···19103849
Or
Intel Core i7-970 Gulftown 3.2GHz 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···19115066
CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···35181010
I have no clue as to the motherboard or the memory or video card. Needs max out on the memory. He tells me that he dose not want to see any bottle necking at all.
They will be no OCing.
I have talk to him about the Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition Bloomfield 3.33GHz for a grand and says no problem if that is what it takes. He wants to buy all this ASAP as he is going to do a road trip to my house to put is all togerther first of next week.
Thanks for all the help and input.
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1 edit | Well its obvious that money is not the issue here so you might as well confer an enthusiast level card and that would be the GTX 480 presently with rebate. If he really wants to take it up a notch go for SLI.
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···-Product
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 Vamp9190Premium
join:2002-02-11
Chantilly, VA
kudos:1 | reply to Mr Stone
Personally I would use the i7-930, I would be surprised if it couldn't handle the job....then buy a i7-970 when prices drop.
For Hard Drive, get a SSD for a boot drive and a 7200 RPM 1TB drive for Apps & Storage. You won't see a big difference with the 10k Raptor, trust me, I have a 150GB 10k drive.
MB (SATA 6Gb/s support, 24GB RAM max) good open box price, retail a bit higher
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···3131614R
Boot Drive (SSD)
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20233087
Storage Drive (SATA 6.0Gb/s)
buy as many as needed
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22136533
RAM (24 GB - 6 x 4GB sticks) DDR3 1333
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20231357
....or for $200 more DDR3 1600:
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20220478
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20220497
Video Card
For such big-ticket items I recommend going with XFX, since they have a Double Lifetime warranty
Video Card - option #1 - 5970 ($715)
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···14150460
Video Card - option #2 - 5870 ($510)
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 KonceptzIntel
join:2001-12-22
Chesterfield, VA
1 edit | reply to Mr Stone
flight sim is heavily threaded.... I would shoot for the 980x and GTX480 SLI. If no overclocking the i7 930 wont cut it... |
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 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | reply to Vamp9190
Wanted to start off by saying that you don't need 24GB of RAM..that is just insanely out of touch of what any game out there uses.
I would shoot for 8GB, that is plenty for current games.
Secondly, don't go with XFX for a GPU, their product quality suffers from every story I hear on Overclock.net, sure they have a lifetime warranty, but whats the use when you have to return the damn thing everytime it breaks due to poor build quality?
Thirdly, Don't necessarily need an SSD drive..he would be fine using a regular WD Black drive, unless he absolutely must waste his money even more than he currently is and for a mere couple seconds in speed improvement if he went SSD.
For the video card, I would honestly say get ATI in Crossfire, with 2 5870s. They run cooler than the gtx 480 and use alot less power. And if you go with AMD then get a Nvidia card..you will be limited to 1 card as a AMD motherboard doesn't do SLI. Which will in turn limit the gpu processing power of course.
To the OP:
That case you have..I honestly wouldn't go with that thing, it looks horrible for air flow, and with all this heavy equipment it would more than likely run hot.
I would look at getting the Coolermaster HAF 932 and upgrade the fans on it..(I mention this case alot) simply because it has a ton of room inside/cable management system/ and crazy about of upgradability in fans. (I would love the HAF X but I love that the 932 you can have (4) 120mm fans on the door. Another sad thing for the HAF X is that you cant switch out the case doors from the 932 to the X.
I got to say..why bother getting a cpu cooler if hes not going to overclock?
For picking out the actual products..I'm sure you can do that given what was said. |
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 OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Vamp9190
said by Vamp9190:Personally I would use the i7-930, I would be surprised if it couldn't handle the job....then buy a i7-970 when prices drop. What makes you think there will be a price drop for the i7-970 Gulftown part?
said by ztmike:That case you have..I honestly wouldn't go with that thing, it looks horrible for air flow, and with all this heavy equipment it would more than likely run hot. The Antec P180 case linked to by the OP is a fine case with good airflow. It’s similar to the Antec P183 in design. Having said that, it’s a slightly older design overall then some of the newer cases out there. If the OP likes the design there is no reason to be concerned as it will do the job just fine. |
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Mr Stonestupid should be painfulPremium
join:2001-06-20
From hell | reply to Mr Stone
Stick with me I am going to post a setup in a few with what I have come up with. Am sure it will need to be fine tuned.
Just a pic of the kind of things this guy is into. On Simulation aircraft. This on has been in the making for three years and is going to be finished in a few mos. It is fully functional just as the real thing. The part he plays in this is providing the specs. He is retired Navy Chief and use to work on this stuff.
Thanks for the help and input.
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Mr Stonestupid should be painfulPremium
join:2001-06-20
From hell | reply to Mr Stone
Processor.
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···19115223
Heat sync.
If not going to do any OCing and the CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series is not needed then what would be a good cooler? I thought for what one getting the price was not bad.
Mother Board.
ASUS Rampage III Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···13131642
PSU. Using the one he has.
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···Corsair%
Memory.
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20231311
Hard Drive.
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM 32MB
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22136555
Video.
EVGA 015-P3-1480-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi)
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···-Product
AS far as doing any SLI he went that route with the motherboard he has now and had no luck doing it on his own.
Case. Keeping his old case.
Antec Performance One P180.
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···11129154
He tells me that he still has his Arctic Silver 5 but it would be about four years old?????? I say new.
Looking at about $2319 give or take. He will not buy from newegg cause of the tax thing in the State of Tn. That is saving him just over $200.
Now let's fine tune this. Am not sure of the memory or the motherboard.
Thanks.
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ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | Well I'm done with this thread, I said what I thought..that there what you just typed is just stupid.
This is where the crap about PC gaming being expensive comes from, people saying you need that to run games when you truly don't.
This guy is wasting his money beyond belief IMO. |
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Mr Stonestupid should be painfulPremium
join:2001-06-20
From hell | said by ztmike:Well I'm done with this thread, I said what I thought..that there what you just typed is just stupid. This is where the crap about PC gaming being expensive comes from, people saying you need that to run games when you truly don't. This guy is wasting his money beyond belief IMO.
Sorry you feel that way just like the way you feel about his/mine case.
How did you sat it?
To the OP:
That case you have. I honestly wouldn't go with that thing, it looks horrible for air flow, and with all this heavy equipment it would more than likely run hot.
Looks are deceiving. To each their own but as for this guy it is just a bit more than a game but then that is again is deceiving. Sorry you didn't get that.
BTW....... you might want to stop and look at what you just typed then ask your self what was stupid.
Thanks for your input and time.
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Vamp9190Premium
join:2002-02-11
Chantilly, VA
kudos:1 | reply to ztmike
Re: Extreme gaming system build/upgrade Help said by ztmike:Wanted to start off by saying that you don't need 24GB of RAM..that is just insanely out of touch of what any game out there uses. I would shoot for 8GB, that is plenty for current games. OP specifically said he wanted to max out on the memory.
said by ztmike:Secondly, don't go with XFX for a GPU, their product quality suffers from every story I hear on Overclock.net, sure they have a lifetime warranty, but whats the use when you have to return the damn thing everytime it breaks due to poor build quality? OP specifically said no OCing (it was in bold). So all the Overclockers on Overclock.net are telling stories about pushing the card to its breaking point, etc. No an issue here. Oh, and it's not a Lifetime warranty, it's a DOUBLE lifetime warranty, so even if you buy it used, you still get it covered for life....what other company in any industry offers that?
said by ztmike:Thirdly, Don't necessarily need an SSD drive..he would be fine using a regular WD Black drive, unless he absolutely must waste his money even more than he currently is and for a mere couple seconds in speed improvement if he went SSD. SSD is definately not a waste of money, but if he specifically wants to SAVE money, then the Black drives will work fine. His budget seemed to indicate the customer wanted performance, with price not being a restrictive factor.
said by ztmike:For the video card, I would honestly say get ATI in Crossfire, with 2 5870s. They run cooler than the gtx 480 and use alot less power. Yeah that would be a good, powerful GPU solution. Especially if he goes with two of the 2GB cards. |
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Vamp9190Premium
join:2002-02-11
Chantilly, VA
kudos:1 | reply to Octavean
said by Octavean:What makes you think there will be a price drop for the i7-970 Gulftown part? That's the beauty about technology, everything drops in price once the next gen. stuff rolls out.
Remember when 8800GT were $350? Now they are sub-$100.
Remember wen RAM was hundreds of dollars for a few MB???
Remember when ALL Quad core CPUs were around $1,000?
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Vamp9190
Re: Extreme gaming system build/upgrade Help said by Vamp9190:said by Octavean:What makes you think there will be a price drop for the i7-970 Gulftown part? That's the beauty about technology, everything drops in price once the next gen. stuff rolls out. Remember when 8800GT were $350? Now they are sub-$100. Remember wen RAM was hundreds of dollars for a few MB??? Remember when ALL Quad core CPUs were around $1,000? ....and on & on.... Quite right,…
However, Intel has also had a bit of a history in terms of discontinuing a Core i7 chip rather than reducing its MSRP. At which point said chip is replaced with a higher spec part for the same price point and the old chip never receives a significant price reduction. This tactic artificially keeps the price rang relatively static or at least it has in the past. Examples of this would be the Core i7 920 being replaced with the Core i7 930 or the Core i7 940 being supplanted by the Core i7 950.
Recent competition from AMD in the form of the Phenom II X6 line may have changed this somewhat though. The introduction of the unlocked Core i7 875K at ~$330-ish made the ~$500+ Core i7 870 redundant so it was reduced in price and can now be found for about the same price of the Core i7 860 (~$300), which, in turn makes the Core i7 860 redundant. Likewise there will presumably be a Core i7 950 price drop to ~$300 down from ~$580-ish soon, which, would make the Core i7 930 redundant.
This, one would think, makes the Core i7 line more competitive and or palatable price wise. So I guess a price drop isn’t unheard of but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Core i7 970 Gulftown part is simply discontinued and replaced with a higher spec part either. I guess it might depend on how well the Competition progresses with their new line and at what price point. |
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ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
2 edits | reply to Vamp9190
said by Vamp9190:said by ztmike:Wanted to start off by saying that you don't need 24GB of RAM..that is just insanely out of touch of what any game out there uses. I would shoot for 8GB, that is plenty for current games. OP specifically said he wanted to max out on the memory. said by ztmike:Secondly, don't go with XFX for a GPU, their product quality suffers from every story I hear on Overclock.net, sure they have a lifetime warranty, but whats the use when you have to return the damn thing everytime it breaks due to poor build quality? OP specifically said no OCing (it was in bold). So all the Overclockers on Overclock.net are telling stories about pushing the card to its breaking point, etc. No an issue here. Oh, and it's not a Lifetime warranty, it's a DOUBLE lifetime warranty, so even if you buy it used, you still get it covered for life....what other company in any industry offers that? said by ztmike:Thirdly, Don't necessarily need an SSD drive..he would be fine using a regular WD Black drive, unless he absolutely must waste his money even more than he currently is and for a mere couple seconds in speed improvement if he went SSD. SSD is definately not a waste of money, but if he specifically wants to SAVE money, then the Black drives will work fine. His budget seemed to indicate the customer wanted performance, with price not being a restrictive factor. said by ztmike:For the video card, I would honestly say get ATI in Crossfire, with 2 5870s. They run cooler than the gtx 480 and use alot less power. Yeah that would be a good, powerful GPU solution. Especially if he goes with two of the 2GB cards. 1.) I don't see any use of 24GB of ram even being used. Hell that alone will probably cost $900 or more. And this guy is wanting to play Microsoft Flight Simulator..not exactly a game that will even come close to touching what this guy is trying to put together.
2.) That's a wild statement to just say the stories I heard on Overclock.net about XFX build quality was because it was from a forum called "Overclock" that every single user that experinced problems was due to overclocking.
Let me ask you this; even if it was due to overclocking, don't you think that's still shady build quality? And you can always down clock if the card can't handle it. But you can't do that if the card just craps out for no apparent reason.
3.) The whole SSD thing is a personal I want/Don't want, I personally don't see the use of it especially at the price point/per GB.
4.) You don't need the 2GB versions to max out games. 2 5870 1GB would be more than enough.
-I personally don't understand why people spend this kind of money on a system when nothing will even take advantage of it plus it will be outdated within a year. Computer tech will always be a step ahead of software. |
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Mr Stonestupid should be painfulPremium
join:2001-06-20
From hell
1 edit | reply to Mr Stone
The parts have been ordered and on the way just as I posted.
Some people just don't get it. This is not just about playing a game called Microsoft Flight Simulator. It goes far beyond that. These people are in some weird stuff. He has been trying for years to get me into this but unless I can pop a cap in ones head in a first person shooter game I not going to play.
It's his money he can spend it the way he sees fit. He earned it. It has nothing to do with what one spends for computers.
I think the real problem is that one person is just pissed cause he don't have the money to buy good things. Maybe? When I buy things I by nothing but the best. Have learned over the years you get what you pay for.
With all that said thanks to most all that have help with input on this.
I will post some pics on the build. He will here during the week of the 15.
Edit: We did change the video to.........
ASUS ROG MATRIX 5870 P/2DIS/2GD5 Radeon HD 5870 Platinum 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX.
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···-Product
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | I think it’s a fine build indeed. I’d very much like to have a similarly configured system for myself.
One question though, did you go with the G.SKILL Ripjaws 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1333 kit? The only reason I ask is that I think it would have been better to go with a Tri-Channel kit that used 3x4GB DDR3 1600 or maybe 3x2GB DDR3 1600. Not a terribly big deal either way as I am sure this will be an incredibly fast system either way. Certainly faster than most systems you’ll see around these here parts 
If anything you can probably order another 4GB DDR3 1333 DIMM at some later date if the need or desire presents itself.
I’d like to see pictures so please update when you get a chance if you can and good luck with the build! |
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KonceptzIntel
join:2001-12-22
Chesterfield, VA Reviews:
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Yeah this build is going to smoke. I've built a similar setup for a flight sim gamer a year or so ago, qx9770 790i ftw, the previous gen top of the line nvidia cards in tri sli, 1200 watt psu, velociraptors in raid 0, 1TB drive for storage. 8GB of dominator DDR3.
Like i said, the flight sim series are one of the few games out there that will utilize all available processing threads it can get its hands on, so you went the right way.
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Vamp9190Premium
join:2002-02-11
Chantilly, VA
kudos:1 | reply to ztmike
said by ztmike:I don't see any use of 24GB of ram even being used. Hell that alone will probably cost $900 or more. »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20231357
A KIT of G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 24GB DDR3 1333 is only $750
if you buy Six 4GB sticks separately it gets cheaper:
$569.94 for DDR3 1066
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