| [Hamilton] how does cogeco decide to throttle? Okay, this is a real life example, but I wanted to see alternate perspectives...
Take two people in the same apartment building. One has residential service, and one has commercial service.
The home user:
-runs a FTP server
-pirates stuff constantly
-runs windows and therefore has an increased chance of spam and viruses
The commercial user:
-runs a whole slew of internet services
-rarely ever pirates stuff
-runs hardened linux behind a linux router
Okay, so now the base information is down... I have a question.
Why is it that when the commercial user opens a P2P application, their entire internet gets filtered down to the nub for days, but the residential user can leech like no tomorrow?
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2 edits | They pick account numbers out of a hat and go from there, or maybe there is a more logical explanation.. even if it's an inconvenient one. |
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if you do get throttled its not "their entire internet getting filtered down to the nub for days".
Maybe you have some other issue like an older router or misconfigured firewall that cant handle the amount of incoming and outgoing connections and isnt releasing the connections when they are no longer in use.
have you tried to change the setting in your p2p client (or change the client) and see how the max connection settings in it changes the response? |
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| Re: [Hamilton] how does cogeco decide (who) to throttle? said by exseven:Maybe you have some other issue like an older router or misconfigured firewall that cant handle the amount of incoming and outgoing connections and isnt releasing the connections when they are no longer in use. The commercial user's router is a PC running a well-known and well-supported linux firewall distribution. In fact, the home user uses a cheap, home-class D-Link/Linksys router.
I just find it odd that the commercial user gets filtered hard, (and gets DMCA emails,) while the home user doesn't get filtered at all, and appears to download without fear of reprisal.
I'm speaking more hypothetically than anything, I don't actually expect anyone to do anything about it.  |
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Re: [Hamilton] how does cogeco decide to throttle? I am on a commercial line and I do not get throttled; anymore at least. I believe I was in the beginning but I haven't' experienced any throttling in a long while now.
Then again I don't regularly download torrents (twice a month?). I'm guessing its area based maybe? Places where there is higher usage they start throttling. |
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| said by AMailer:I am on a commercial line and I do not get throttled; anymore at least. I believe I was in the beginning but I haven't' experienced any throttling in a long while now. Then again I don't regularly download torrents (twice a month?). I'm guessing its area based maybe? Places where there is higher usage they start throttling. Commercial account here, hosting and downloading large amounts of torrents and never any throttling on the downstream and random throttling on the upstream. On Sunday, I was capping out at top speeds on my uploads... today, didn't see over 6 kB/s up. No rhyme or reason and it's safe to say I'm a 'serious' downloader.
Based on user comments on various threads, I'd suspect there's no directed user throttling, that it's all in the mind, and any issues that seem like user throttling are chalked up to a pile of other issues that can start with the user, PC, network configuration, cabling, and work your way down. |
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| said by urbanriot:Based on user comments on various threads, I'd suspect there's no directed user throttling, that it's all in the mind, and any issues that seem like user throttling are chalked up to a pile of other issues that can start with the user, PC, network configuration, cabling, and work your way down. If you say so, I just call it like I see it.  |
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Burlington, ON | said by joeblow256 :If you say so, I just call it like I see it. And so does each individual. I'm also on a business account. I myself don't use torrents, and often see speeds of over 2 MB/s. There are no signs of any kind of throttling (although I'm usually a 'good neighbour' and queue stuff for post midnight, but not always). I suspect that I'm the big downloader in my neighbourhood.  |
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said by urbanriot:[ Based on user comments on various threads, I'd suspect there's no directed user throttling, that it's all in the mind, and any issues that seem like user throttling are chalked up to a pile of other issues that can start with the user, PC, network configuration, cabling, and work your way down. No direct throttle? All in the mind?
Cogeco throttles 24/7. They even stated so.
Seriously, give it up. |
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Burlington, ON | reply to joeblow256
From here »www.cogeco.ca/cable/on/en/custom···q03.html ; as stated by Krispy before
"What type of Internet traffic (e.g. application, class of application, protocol) is subject to management?
Cogeco does not throttle or manage the downstream traffic. In other words, applications such as P2P, Streaming video, Instant messaging, E-mail and Internet Browsers used by Cogeco customers to download content are not subject to Cogeco’s traffic management measures.
Cogeco is slowing down the speed of P2P traffic solely on the upstream. This means that file-sharing P2P applications used by Cogeco customers to upload content or share files with other Internet users in Canada or abroad are subject to Cogeco’s Internet traffic management measures.
While controlling the speed on the upstream, Cogeco’s Internet traffic management measures do not, however, involve blocking, controlling or altering the content of any telecommunications." |
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| reply to Indirect Pay
Rarely a throttling issue
no problems at times |
said by joeblow256 :
If you say so, I just call it like I see it.
Attached is a screenshot of how I see it, on my commercial account. I upload at peak speeds 120 - 130 kB/s for a period of time and it'll drop off after an hour or two, with me unable to get over 6 kB/s and will peak up again to max speeds. I do not have the time or care enough to analyze whether or not the issue is more capable seeders, on the recipients end or upstream throttling... probably all of the above.
said by Indirect Pay :
No direct throttle? All in the mind?
Cogeco throttles 24/7. They even stated so.
Please provide a citation linking a Cogeco representative stating that they're throttling downstream 24/7. I can provide you quotes stating they're not.
If you're able to do so, perhaps I'll entertain the possibility it's not a user, software, router, networking or cabling configuration rather than the immediately proclaimed, "omg im throttled" anon bandwagon issue. Yes, upstream throttling sucks and exists as representatives previously stated in other threads. No, I doubt that's the problem in every thread where someone insists it is without going through the steps to diagnose it.
joeblow256, before this thread becomes derailed by people that may not have commercial accounts, why don't we discuss your friends configuration compared to the other configuration and perhaps we can determine what the problem is? |
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Re: [Hamilton] how does cogeco decide to throttle? From an outside observer's perspective there does not seem to be any rhyme nor reason to Cogeco's upstream throttling. Throttling debates have been going on for years in this forum and I am not aware of anyone solving the riddle of who is throttled and when.
Before Cogeco admitted to the throttling in filings to the CRTC and in their now-required Internet traffic management practices page on their website, there was much debate about whether there even was throttling. I was with Cogeco in Hamilton at the time and my upload was throttled to less than 10 KB/s. Because Cogeco's throttling practices seemed to have no pattern it was very difficult for myself and other throttled users to convince the non-throttled users that there was throttling going on. Others would post their screencaps showing full upload speeds and claim there was no throttling. At the time people looked for patterns as to who was throttled and who was not but I don't think any were found. It doesn't look like we are any closer to an answer today.
For some of the history of this debate check out this thread: »[Windsor] Dear Cogeco: I like your packet shaping
My post within that thread showing my personal experience can be found here: »Re: [Windsor] Dear Cogeco: I like your packet shaping
There are many more historical threads on the topic if you do a search. |
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Re: Rarely a throttling issue that's a lot of linux ISOs |
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| haha it's funny you say that, a few weeks ago I was considering 'historically people refer to linux ISOs when they complain about torrents, bandwidth caps, whatever... do they genuinely believe they're fooling everyone when they claim they're using bandwidth for linux ISOs or is this some kind of meme that I didn't get before.' |
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Re: [Hamilton] how does cogeco decide to throttle? This thread 2 posts down, pretty much sums up Urbanriot:
www.dslreports.com/forum/r24689033-Heavy-bandwidth-users
Anyway, www.deeppacketinspection.ca explains alot about how cogeco throttles user connections 24/7. Just do a search for cogeco, they have an article on it.
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| reply to vonSchroeder
vonSchroeder, it's on 24/7. Even Cogeco admitted this.
However, the conditions that cause it to kick in, or cause it to kick in more heavily have been filed in secret.
It could be that it's a per user discrimination.
It could be a per node discrimination.
It could be how much B/W you use in a month coupled with how long you use p2p type protocols in a given day or week.
There is a pattern, obviously. But, the conditions of it have yet to be discovered in this forum. |
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