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Re: Anveo.com -Phone numbers with SMS for $0.99 and more updates said by anveo:Early MediaBy requests from SipSorcery users we have added Early Media support, now you can utilize Anveo Call Flow from Sip Sorcery to playback a message, collect user input and more without Anveo answering the call. The early media support is very nifty. If anyone wants to listen to the Gorillaz (a big improvement on the monkeys) on early media call into 500@sipsorcery.com.
Now what would be cool is if there was a SIP provider that passed through early media on PSTN calls. That would make it a cinch to play custom ring tones/music/messages based on the inbound callerid. |
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kudos:1 | said by sipsorcery:Now what would be cool is if there was a SIP provider that passed through early media on PSTN calls. That would make it a cinch to play custom ring tones/music/messages based on the inbound callerid. I know such provider 
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Anveo can do that I am not sure if it will work in countries other than US. But we have a phone number powered by Anveo Call Flow with Early Media enabled on PSTN - call +12158396931 and if the last digit of your CallerID is 0 to 5 you can listen to original 'Steve Miller - Abracadabra' song, otherwise you will listen to 'Steve Miller - Abracadabra Remix' |
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are callers charged for while listening to steve miller? i am not 100% if i understand what 'early media' is, but if i understand correct it means that the call is not actually answered and the callers will therefore not be charged. can anyone confirm if this is correct? |
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| said by tom thomas:are callers charged for while listening to steve miller? I tested calling from my Callcentric account and I was not charged.
said by tom thomas:i am not 100% if i understand what 'early media' is, You could compare "early media" to the ring signals you hear before the other party answers.
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2 edits | said by Arne Bolen:You could compare "early media" to the ring signals you hear before the other party answers. Early Media is more than custom ring signal. With early media the caller can not only listen to the music/audio messages but also interact by pressing keys etc.
To illustrate that I've changed the call flow assigned to that number so now it is asking the caller (Text to Speech) to press 0 to listen to Remix version or any other key for Original version.
PS. The caller should not be charged when early media is utilized. Which is pretty cool if you know when to apply this feature.
Aaron at sipsorcery is an expert in this stuff and maybe he can clarify even further. |
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said by tom thomas:anveo, are callers charged for while listening to steve miller? i am not 100% if i understand what 'early media' is, but if i understand correct it means that the call is not actually answered and the callers will therefore not be charged. can anyone confirm if this is correct? No they are not.
Early media is the equivalent of the ringback tone you get on an analogue phone when you place a PSTN call. That "ring-ring" tone is generated by a switch somewhere on your carrier's network. Early media is replacing the "ring-ring".
The confusing thing is that some VoIP providers will answer the call and then playback a ringback tone. This is bad for two reasons; first the caller is getting charged to listen to ringback and second the ringback could be providing a false indication since the tone is typically played before an attempt is even made to reach the destination caller. |
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2 edits | Aaron,
As far as I remember you are in Australia so I've added a number in Sydney, Australia +61289994183 and configured the call flow (same as above) with Early Media support. It would be cool to test if Australia DID supports Early Media |
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said by anveo:Early Media is more than custom ring signal. With early media the caller can not only listen to the music/audio messages but also interact by pressing keys etc. To illustrate that I've changed the call flow assigned to that number so now it is asking the caller (Text to Speech) to press 0 to listen to Remix version or any other key for Original version. PS. The caller should not be charged when early media is utilized. Which is pretty cool if you know when to apply this feature. Aaron at sipsorcery is an expert in this stuff and maybe he can clarify even further. I'm not an expert once a call moves beyond the SIP boundary (and arguably even while its still there) .
I've been in discussions before about doing tricky things like process DTMF keys in early media. The upshot of it is carriers if not outright forbidding it will definitely frown on it. Since the call is effectively being answered without being signalled as such it's consuming the resources of a normal call without being accounted as such.
I'd be suprised if a carrier picked up on early media applications for low volumes of calls but if anyone is thinking about basing a business model on it then I'd think again. It's been tried in the past and shutdown. |
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said by anveo:Aaron, As far as I remember you are in Australia so I've added a number in Sydney, Australia +61289994183 and configured the call flow (same as above) with Early Media support. It would be cool to test if Australia DID supports Early Media It does - at least from the landline network (Telstra) and my mobile network (also Telstra).
I'd already tested against the US number and that works from here as well. |
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| said by sipsorcery:It does - at least from the landline network (Telstra) and my mobile network (also Telstra). I'd already tested against the US number and that works from here as well. Just to clarify, are you saying the DTMF made it through as well? That would be amazing! I would not be surprised if just the regular ringing worked. That usually works unless there is a grey route involved. I remember placing a test call to a Bangladesh cell a few years ago and was getting the Bollywood custom ringback... |
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| said by rnet1:Just to clarify, are you saying the DTMF made it through as well? That would be amazing! I would not be surprised if just the regular ringing worked. That usually works unless there is a grey route involved. I remember placing a test call to a Bangladesh cell a few years ago and was getting the Bollywood custom ringback... For me the DTMF get passed through on the early media when I call the Australian number but not the US number. I'm calling from an Australian mobile network.
Note that I did try calling the US number through Google Voice and also through an Australian VoIP provider and in both those cases I didn't get the early media tune at all let alone DTMF. That's not suprising as early media implementation is one of those things that is somewhat ambiguous at the network interface. A VoIP provider could be a network or even two away from the PSTN and crossing SS7/ISDN/SIP boundaries each of which could decide to generate early media to their own tune (excuse the pun). |
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For me DTMF on the early media works fine when I call US number from US using my T-Mobile cell phone and Verizon landline.
Update: It also worked when I called from T-Mobile to Australian number! |
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| Anveo, did you call from your Verizon landline starting with 215-942? That would be news to me if it worked. The Siemens EWSD switches only permit 1-way communication during early media. |
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