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Re: Massive Slowdowns? seems like we are back to what it was a year ago. My pings have jumped 120% in the last two weeks.
Has anyone else been getting slow internet? | |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | Define "Slow Internet". A traceroute would help. | |  | reply to Fasttazz Not sure if this is what you are seeing but I am seeing a huge spike on Bresnan's edge towards Denver and with AT&T Worldnet when packets go by way of Seattle, which is in no way Bresnan's fault other than most traffic prefers Denver which Bresnan is having trouble with it would seem. Since Bresnan seems to only have the two paths out of their network most everything seems slow/bad right now.
LQ1 (ATT issue) Mon Jan 10 20:15:01 MST 2011 traceroute to lq1.dslreports.com (74.208.229.54), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 7.508 ms 16.793 ms * 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 8.358 ms 6.350 ms 8.549 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 17.647 ms 22.742 ms 19.424 ms 4 blnmtfh1cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.72) 17.292 ms 14.885 ms 15.217 ms 5 mslmt001cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.75) 24.296 ms 23.387 ms 26.847 ms 6 seawafh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.111.23) 87.241 ms 44.937 ms 37.749 ms 7 host-72-175-111-156.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.156) 47.678 ms 43.512 ms 46.446 ms 8 12.90.77.21 (12.90.77.21) 37.397 ms 12.90.77.17 (12.90.77.17) 39.529 ms 68.802 ms 9 cr1.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.46.6) 68.317 ms 56.717 ms cr2.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.46.130) 50.366 ms 10 12.122.146.49 (12.122.146.49) 33.880 ms 12.122.146.173 (12.122.146.173) 48.868 ms 45.134 ms 11 192.205.33.238 (192.205.33.238) 160.539 ms 304.902 ms 166.782 ms 12 te8-1-10M.ar5.CHI1.gblx.net (67.16.136.22) 159.017 ms 160.797 ms 159.841 ms 13 64.209.105.234 (64.209.105.234) 163.212 ms 160.631 ms 158.521 ms 14 te-1-4.bb-c.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net (74.208.6.106) 156.665 ms 156.504 ms 156.332 ms 15 te-1-2.gw-distp-a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net (74.208.1.117) 157.345 ms 154.111 ms 153.926 ms 16 ae-1.gw-prtr-r5-2a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net (74.208.1.170) 158.520 ms 155.816 ms 151.702 ms 17 u15150124.onlinehome-server.com (74.208.229.54) 150.983 ms 159.618 ms 152.692 ms
Mon Jan 10 20:30:01 MST 2011 traceroute to lq1.dslreports.com (74.208.229.54), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 48.654 ms 26.839 ms 17.917 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 13.463 ms 10.502 ms 8.068 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 51.379 ms 27.074 ms 19.346 ms 4 blnmtfh1cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.72) 16.088 ms 14.315 ms 14.886 ms 5 mslmt001cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.75) 25.300 ms 26.661 ms 38.353 ms 6 seawafh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.111.23) 35.055 ms 36.644 ms 42.952 ms 7 host-72-175-111-156.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.156) 34.660 ms 35.146 ms 37.463 ms 8 12.90.77.21 (12.90.77.21) 47.361 ms 35.820 ms 38.524 ms 9 cr2.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.46.130) 36.591 ms 38.076 ms cr1.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.46.6) 37.391 ms 10 12.122.146.173 (12.122.146.173) 41.398 ms 12.122.146.49 (12.122.146.49) 65.642 ms 74.471 ms 11 192.205.33.238 (192.205.33.238) 190.179 ms 173.320 ms 227.117 ms 12 te8-1-10M.ar5.CHI1.gblx.net (67.16.136.22) 202.098 ms 180.599 ms 155.216 ms 13 64.209.105.234 (64.209.105.234) 170.480 ms 162.024 ms 166.034 ms 14 te-1-4.bb-c.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net (74.208.6.106) 178.607 ms 184.723 ms 191.352 ms 15 te-1-2.gw-distp-a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net (74.208.1.117) 180.508 ms 204.315 ms 164.058 ms 16 ae-1.gw-prtr-r5-2a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net (74.208.1.170) 168.191 ms 170.293 ms 176.986 ms 17 u15150124.onlinehome-server.com (74.208.229.54) 195.348 ms 225.850 ms 195.443 ms
Mon Jan 10 20:45:01 MST 2011 traceroute to lq1.dslreports.com (74.208.229.54), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 24.791 ms 8.832 ms 6.890 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 9.072 ms 10.767 ms 19.735 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 15.511 ms 25.056 ms 37.287 ms 4 blnmtfh1cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.72) 23.985 ms * 14.468 ms 5 mslmt001cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.75) 24.468 ms 24.828 ms 49.138 ms 6 seawafh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.111.23) 55.944 ms 39.432 ms 36.864 ms 7 host-72-175-111-156.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.156) 41.750 ms 35.930 ms 69.951 ms 8 12.90.77.21 (12.90.77.21) 34.607 ms 42.721 ms 34.816 ms 9 cr1.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.46.6) 35.843 ms 40.453 ms cr2.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.46.130) 39.838 ms 10 12.122.146.49 (12.122.146.49) 65.999 ms 12.122.146.173 (12.122.146.173) 58.742 ms 42.567 ms 11 192.205.33.238 (192.205.33.238) 175.958 ms 184.808 ms 186.488 ms 12 te8-1-10M.ar5.CHI1.gblx.net (67.16.136.22) 190.815 ms 221.748 ms 164.184 ms 13 64.209.105.234 (64.209.105.234) 186.946 ms 192.202 ms 162.228 ms 14 te-1-4.bb-c.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net (74.208.6.106) 165.872 ms 167.061 ms 193.730 ms 15 te-1-2.gw-distp-a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net (74.208.1.117) 187.116 ms 180.404 ms 178.320 ms 16 ae-1.gw-prtr-r5-2a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net (74.208.1.170) 191.859 ms 162.578 ms 209.570 ms 17 u15150124.onlinehome-server.com (74.208.229.54) 167.249 ms 165.850 ms 164.538 ms
LQ2 (Bresnan issue) Mon Jan 10 20:15:14 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 8.212 ms 7.955 ms 11.333 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 15.937 ms 8.894 ms 11.622 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 14.223 ms 14.140 ms * 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 27.737 ms 29.450 ms 15.102 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 61.076 ms 23.094 ms 22.632 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 26.146 ms 40.545 ms 30.328 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 32.530 ms 27.022 ms 60.945 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 65.029 ms 70.565 ms 71.437 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 72.559 ms 69.706 ms 62.710 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 121.526 ms 141.504 ms 110.798 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 182.350 ms 117.459 ms 114.713 ms 12 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 121.202 ms 106.769 ms 123.063 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 144.253 ms 136.886 ms 145.662 ms 14 ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 143.988 ms 139.407 ms 146.502 ms 15 ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 199.976 ms 212.426 ms 224.075 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 146.397 ms 136.728 ms 135.676 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 143.239 ms 135.796 ms 140.214 ms
Mon Jan 10 20:30:07 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 9.377 ms 18.625 ms 22.316 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 16.802 ms 7.667 ms 8.118 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 20.237 ms 21.845 ms 17.860 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 20.457 ms 17.798 ms 19.082 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 27.196 ms 23.857 ms 21.796 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 21.915 ms 37.685 ms 24.346 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 32.954 ms 27.848 ms 24.102 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 31.559 ms 30.963 ms 46.473 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 72.743 ms 56.291 ms 53.021 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 137.902 ms 130.352 ms 167.542 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 184.586 ms 195.088 ms 190.992 ms 12 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 140.563 ms 158.645 ms 151.787 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 143.501 ms 141.341 ms 146.963 ms 14 ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 146.982 ms ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 163.507 ms 180.355 ms 15 ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 169.544 ms 146.920 ms 161.260 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 153.903 ms 152.299 ms 161.395 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 181.386 ms 171.285 ms 161.673 ms
Mon Jan 10 20:45:14 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 17.700 ms 6.504 ms 7.376 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 9.681 ms 8.299 ms 9.649 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 15.022 ms 38.722 ms 18.245 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 18.612 ms 14.622 ms 16.868 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 20.189 ms 21.743 ms 23.758 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 20.183 ms 21.321 ms 34.233 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 27.910 ms 28.208 ms 25.885 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 36.810 ms 29.830 ms 25.674 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 29.244 ms 28.998 ms 29.292 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 119.844 ms 113.061 ms 115.241 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 140.827 ms 119.753 ms 112.666 ms 12 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 143.859 ms 151.788 ms 130.725 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 145.858 ms 153.423 ms 142.272 ms 14 ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 137.019 ms 145.921 ms 143.995 ms 15 ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 137.657 ms 152.430 ms 141.566 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 139.428 ms 135.396 ms 152.562 ms 17 * dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 137.910 ms 161.444 ms
Google (Bresnan issue) Mon Jan 10 20:30:42 MST 2011 traceroute to google.com (74.125.227.19), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 37.027 ms 38.835 ms 39.199 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 40.185 ms 47.146 ms 28.429 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 33.073 ms 39.346 ms 39.099 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 37.993 ms 22.375 ms 14.501 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 29.133 ms 47.062 ms 52.046 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 29.029 ms * 39.940 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 40.810 ms 47.779 ms 44.776 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 28.054 ms 31.389 ms 44.306 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 79.271 ms 63.898 ms 42.596 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 149.653 ms 160.647 ms 171.352 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 151.247 ms 184.702 ms 139.698 ms 12 ae-31-53.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.94) 148.948 ms 127.194 ms 140.513 ms 13 ae-2-2.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 163.953 ms 149.972 ms 133.388 ms 14 ae-4-90.edge2.Dallas3.Level3.net (4.69.145.204) 169.140 ms 192.340 ms 144.635 ms 15 GOOGLE-INC.edge2.Dallas3.Level3.net (4.59.36.14) 197.315 ms 166.861 ms 187.164 ms 16 72.14.233.65 (72.14.233.65) 187.366 ms 225.421 ms 159.168 ms 17 216.239.47.54 (216.239.47.54) 170.888 ms * 156.268 ms 18 74.125.227.19 (74.125.227.19) 139.362 ms 171.246 ms 179.724 ms
lvl3 (Bresnan issue) Mon Jan 10 20:15:25 MST 2011 traceroute to 4.2.2.5 (4.2.2.5), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 6.905 ms 10.837 ms 7.333 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 11.106 ms 5.749 ms * 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 39.582 ms 27.896 ms 26.498 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 27.580 ms 42.896 ms 54.075 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 62.926 ms 62.764 ms 60.769 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 61.211 ms 45.903 ms 47.863 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 44.094 ms 48.755 ms 60.495 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 47.047 ms 83.607 ms 57.277 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 157.763 ms 90.444 ms 77.891 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 147.863 ms 122.722 ms 132.897 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 145.000 ms 125.446 ms 134.720 ms 12 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 145.464 ms 122.396 ms 120.284 ms 13 ae-2-2.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 126.349 ms 125.561 ms 128.727 ms 14 ae-11-60.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.3) 127.190 ms 124.766 ms 144.830 ms 15 vnsc-bak-dsl.genuity.net (4.2.2.5) 169.153 ms 173.353 ms 147.116 ms
Mon Jan 10 20:30:12 MST 2011 traceroute to 4.2.2.5 (4.2.2.5), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 10.360 ms 8.959 ms 8.522 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 9.437 ms 10.866 ms 12.004 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 18.218 ms 17.151 ms 20.273 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 18.276 ms 16.182 ms 16.112 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 26.094 ms 23.589 ms 58.850 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 23.843 ms 21.548 ms 20.913 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 28.941 ms 32.501 ms 31.269 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 28.077 ms 28.143 ms 42.962 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 40.885 ms 59.779 ms 55.559 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 159.025 ms 155.062 ms 166.517 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 170.689 ms 164.169 ms 142.715 ms 12 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 141.005 ms 119.824 ms 126.464 ms 13 * ae-2-2.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 137.090 ms 161.585 ms 14 ae-21-70.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.67) 146.626 ms 153.721 ms 132.362 ms 15 vnsc-bak-dsl.genuity.net (4.2.2.5) 134.585 ms 137.868 ms 140.770 ms
Mon Jan 10 20:45:27 MST 2011 traceroute to 4.2.2.5 (4.2.2.5), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 26.859 ms 6.058 ms 6.316 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 6.987 ms 10.200 ms 7.165 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 15.442 ms 14.476 ms 16.128 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 17.149 ms 25.987 ms 35.139 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 34.192 ms 23.587 ms 20.717 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 22.217 ms 24.474 ms 21.234 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 29.154 ms 27.021 ms 26.677 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 25.514 ms 26.945 ms 31.754 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 32.755 ms 35.270 ms 35.368 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 104.485 ms 105.087 ms 131.731 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 232.204 ms 126.611 ms 133.416 ms 12 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 113.316 ms 118.328 ms 117.799 ms 13 ae-2-2.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 141.664 ms 138.280 ms 128.140 ms 14 ae-11-60.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.3) 217.614 ms 265.371 ms 251.020 ms 15 vnsc-bak-dsl.genuity.net (4.2.2.5) 139.243 ms 130.707 ms 147.890 ms | |  4 edits | Here are two speedtests ran back to back to the speedtest.net server in Cheyenne, WY. One is from my Bresnan connection, the other from my folks' TCT service.
From GreenHouseData's website:
said by »www.greenhousedata.com/greening-···wyoming/ :Top Notch Broadband We currently have three 1Gbps internet connections with Qwest, Bresnan, and Level 3, a 10 Gbps connection through Qwest, and the ability to add up to a 40 Gbps connection from multiple providers, as needed. If they have a 1Gb/s pipe through Bresnan there should be no reason for a speedtest from me, another Bresnan customer, to suffer unless it is something inside Bresnan's network whereas TCT has to go to it's upstream provider then Qwest and finally to GreenHouseData and yet outperforms my Bresnan link which might as well be 'on network'.
Bresnan

traceroute to 208.89.163.194 (208.89.163.194), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 12.052 ms 18.253 ms 12.788 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 12.763 ms 8.848 ms 8.426 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 15.267 ms 17.509 ms 15.588 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 15.678 ms 16.212 ms 15.300 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 22.165 ms 27.579 ms 22.001 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 23.953 ms 43.681 ms 24.857 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 25.864 ms 26.103 ms 25.141 ms 8 chywy001hb7-GE-1-1-1-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.141) 36.055 ms 30.229 ms 37.666 ms 9 host-69-144-127-18.static.bresnan.net (69.144.127.18) 39.619 ms 57.028 ms 36.218 ms 10 CYSWYDC01ESW1-001-1-1.GREENHOUSEDATA.NET (208.89.160.11) 40.273 ms 46.835 ms 29.650 ms 11 SPEEDTEST.GREENHOUSEDATA.COM (208.89.163.194) 32.728 ms 49.904 ms 53.300 ms
TCT

traceroute to 208.89.163.194 (208.89.163.194), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 sub-96-31-116-2.tctwest.net (96.31.116.2) 2.286 ms 3.313 ms 4.423 ms 2 sub-96-31-116-1.tctwest.net (96.31.116.1) 1.113 ms 1.491 ms 1.632 ms 3 brln-7606-t1-2.tctwest.net (72.21.79.189) 2.059 ms 2.607 ms 2.521 ms 4 blns-7606-g5-1.tctwest.net (67.215.22.42) 5.912 ms 5.387 ms 5.753 ms 5 209-193-109-252.mammothnetworks.com (209.193.109.252) 17.955 ms 18.289 ms 19.125 ms 6 68-170-55-118.mammothnetworks.com (68.170.55.118) 17.814 ms 18.366 ms 18.463 ms 7 dvr-edge-13.inet.qwest.net (67.134.162.113) 18.902 ms 18.901 ms 18.446 ms 8 * * * 9 chy-edge-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.158.66) 21.626 ms 21.336 ms 21.378 ms 10 65.114.247.174 (65.114.247.174) 23.639 ms 20.890 ms 20.868 ms 11 CYSWYDC01ESW1-001-1-1.GREENHOUSEDATA.NET (208.89.160.11) 22.066 ms 21.583 ms 23.088 ms 12 SPEEDTEST.GREENHOUSEDATA.COM (208.89.163.194) 22.589 ms 21.718 ms 23.641 ms
| |  | I am glad I am able to achieve a whole 22% of the speed that I should be getting/am paying for. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside 

From my connection
Wed Jan 12 22:00:41 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 57.269 ms 52.650 ms 57.354 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 45.966 ms 57.350 ms 57.024 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 60.612 ms 52.967 ms 42.284 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 50.234 ms 34.818 ms 19.078 ms 5 blnmtfh1svspd.int.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 19.383 ms 21.339 ms 13.094 ms
Wed Jan 12 22:16:13 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 87.016 ms 61.173 ms 80.376 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 80.095 ms 99.470 ms * 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 89.122 ms 61.185 ms 86.606 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 54.484 ms 47.560 ms 62.116 ms 5 blnmtfh1svspd.int.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 56.179 ms 71.157 ms 64.820 ms
Wed Jan 12 22:30:35 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 74.957 ms 47.815 ms 43.411 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 48.642 ms 36.187 ms 36.751 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 40.836 ms 31.777 ms 50.133 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 47.117 ms 34.214 ms 30.557 ms 5 blnmtfh1svspd.int.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 51.765 ms 67.471 ms 57.414 ms
Wed Jan 12 22:45:57 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 133.567 ms 142.492 ms 148.035 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 150.954 ms 154.905 ms 147.921 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 154.405 ms 124.179 ms 138.442 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 141.256 ms 131.872 ms 151.828 ms 5 blnmtfh1svspd.int.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 135.005 ms 152.121 ms 148.890 ms
From a 'Bresnan Probe' I have deployed at a friend's house on the other side of town:
Wed Jan 12 22:00:39 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 47.824 ms 50.332 ms 50.390 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 59.800 ms 59.852 ms 73.843 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 63.954 ms 64.010 ms 63.977 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 64.062 ms 64.073 ms 64.047 ms 5 blnmtfh1svspd.int.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 63.838 ms 63.825 ms 63.807 ms
Wed Jan 12 22:15:36 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 76.975 ms 76.958 ms 76.929 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 76.897 ms 76.871 ms * 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 87.830 ms 87.889 ms 87.861 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 88.246 ms 88.255 ms 88.228 ms 5 billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 87.955 ms 88.021 ms 87.992 ms
Wed Jan 12 22:30:14 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 57.565 ms 59.989 ms 60.049 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 60.021 ms 60.005 ms 59.987 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 61.610 ms 61.678 ms 61.652 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 61.722 ms 61.708 ms * 5 blnmtfh1svspd.int.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 61.513 ms 61.485 ms 61.488 ms
Wed Jan 12 22:45:33 MST 2011 traceroute to billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 130.522 ms 130.501 ms 130.495 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-1-U120.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.121) 130.424 ms 130.394 ms 130.394 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 140.148 ms 143.770 ms 143.826 ms 4 blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-2-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.59) 143.924 ms 143.900 ms * 5 billings.speedtest.bresnan.net (69.145.254.140) 143.671 ms 143.651 ms 143.642 ms
And they tell me this is a problem with my connection? | |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT 1 edit | I'll toss the IPs into my Cacti server and see what it shows. I have been downloading a ton of stuff lately, so it might not be completely accurate.
EDIT: Here's my Traceroute at 2011JAN13 12:41L
ralph1 ~ # traceroute 4.2.2.2 traceroute to 4.2.2.2 (4.2.2.2), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-31-212-1.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.31.212.1) 11.506 ms 11.423 ms 11.395 ms 2 host-72-175-111-67.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.67) 11.359 ms 11.374 ms 11.398 ms 3 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 11.617 ms 11.816 ms 11.838 ms 4 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 17.787 ms 17.765 ms 17.739 ms 5 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 43.460 ms 43.464 ms 43.460 ms 6 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 55.280 ms 24.995 ms 24.748 ms 7 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 21.935 ms 21.973 ms 21.967 ms 8 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 34.988 ms 34.952 ms 34.928 ms 9 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 23.833 ms 23.851 ms 24.359 ms 10 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 24.382 ms 23.128 ms 24.888 ms 11 ae-31-55.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.158) 35.992 ms 35.989 ms 35.957 ms 12 ae-2-2.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.106) 46.136 ms 46.033 ms 35.077 ms 13 ae-11-60.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.3) 40.170 ms 39.029 ms ae-31-80.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.145.131) 40.021 ms 14 vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net (4.2.2.2) 40.497 ms 40.572 ms 63.164 ms | |  | 
Business as usual...
 
Tue Feb 1 21:45:14 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 118.365 ms * 77.404 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 76.630 ms 59.243 ms 76.489 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 83.468 ms 76.705 ms * 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 75.605 ms 69.455 ms 89.245 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 73.644 ms 70.314 ms 58.989 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 73.377 ms 61.311 ms 53.202 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 82.276 ms 83.800 ms 81.381 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 96.240 ms 98.803 ms 95.242 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 168.280 ms 111.536 ms 154.218 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 103.466 ms 138.604 ms 120.270 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 131.770 ms 120.583 ms 139.907 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 144.677 ms 111.213 ms 112.640 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 135.356 ms 159.449 ms 175.133 ms 14 ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 213.679 ms 199.930 ms 189.173 ms 15 ae-31-89.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.131) 157.647 ms 130.652 ms 164.375 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 208.873 ms 165.201 ms 161.529 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 127.608 ms 136.941 ms 125.686 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:00:16 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 137.324 ms 142.855 ms 131.205 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 136.302 ms 148.155 ms 135.881 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 146.847 ms 154.929 ms 144.266 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 140.085 ms 155.972 ms 155.934 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 164.234 ms 154.502 ms 146.573 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 140.244 ms 124.044 ms 115.949 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 123.133 ms 140.964 ms 224.029 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 149.576 ms 161.902 ms 167.097 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 169.061 ms 178.385 ms 156.551 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 128.946 ms 133.046 ms 131.619 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 191.767 ms 266.679 ms 201.591 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 174.514 ms 183.460 ms 198.279 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 204.333 ms 191.097 ms 169.588 ms 14 ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 173.856 ms 208.100 ms 191.553 ms 15 ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 369.038 ms 196.714 ms ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 175.711 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 210.367 ms * 211.890 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 175.326 ms 168.931 ms 196.772 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:15:21 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 140.240 ms 143.739 ms 118.034 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 133.631 ms 140.265 ms 123.430 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 130.072 ms 124.767 ms 105.773 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 104.217 ms 123.536 ms 120.288 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 179.630 ms 140.459 ms 167.281 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 138.595 ms 146.402 ms 121.833 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 134.342 ms 141.501 ms 149.712 ms 8 * chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 178.527 ms 162.037 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 152.911 ms 168.404 ms 160.578 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 159.347 ms 144.473 ms 145.263 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 322.845 ms 176.589 ms 177.746 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 191.399 ms 210.971 ms 172.504 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 193.109 ms 195.241 ms 205.194 ms 14 ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 205.066 ms 193.438 ms 197.593 ms 15 ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 204.946 ms ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 178.125 ms 165.458 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 203.645 ms 197.020 ms 205.288 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 169.273 ms 137.511 ms 155.932 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:30:20 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 88.626 ms 116.331 ms 108.311 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 120.514 ms 111.787 ms 115.924 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 105.746 ms 109.110 ms 114.326 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 139.929 ms 125.103 ms 133.748 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 143.308 ms 133.962 ms 133.534 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 124.614 ms 124.670 ms 147.937 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 115.594 ms 113.464 ms 119.025 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 114.049 ms 134.940 ms 133.454 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 139.631 ms 134.696 ms 151.392 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 151.588 ms 148.562 ms 146.750 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 173.776 ms 188.629 ms 192.842 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 193.773 ms 181.403 ms 165.988 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 183.596 ms 199.243 ms 196.667 ms 14 ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 232.584 ms 229.911 ms 221.379 ms 15 ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 184.771 ms 144.757 ms 118.498 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 175.604 ms 206.549 ms 212.615 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 196.754 ms 181.869 ms 165.896 ms | |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | said by koolkid1563: Tue Feb 1 21:45:14 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 118.365 ms * 77.404 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:00:16 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 137.324 ms 142.855 ms 131.205 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:15:21 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 140.240 ms 143.739 ms 118.034 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:30:20 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 88.626 ms 116.331 ms 108.311 ms
Um.. Check your router and/or your cable modem. Something is definitely wrong here. -- Bresnan 18M/1M MyWS[E5200@3.75GHz,4GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7] WifeWS[A64@2GHz,2GB RAM,120GB HDD,Win7] Router[2xP3@1GHz,512MB RAM,18GB HDD,SMC 8432BTA,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,Intel Pro/1000MT,IBM Gigabit Ethernet-SX,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,Gentoo Linux] | |  2 edits | Oh, I agree something is wrong but it is not on my end - all of my friends that have Bresnan ran the same test and get high latency to the CMTS chassis - 10.29.20.1. Trying to get Bresnan to acknowledge the problem is another ballgame.
Edit: This is from one of my Bresnan Monitor probes at one of my friends' house...Same thing there at the exact same time. Still not enough evidence to convince Bresnan, though.
Tue Feb 1 21:45:19 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 79.084 ms * * 2 * * * 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 96.665 ms 96.728 ms 96.702 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 96.682 ms 96.666 ms 96.658 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 123.555 ms 123.607 ms 123.578 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 101.810 ms 111.319 ms 111.245 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 114.531 ms 114.575 ms 114.562 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 114.548 ms 114.538 ms 114.525 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 116.820 ms * * 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 173.322 ms 173.529 ms 170.092 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 165.864 ms 165.898 ms 165.888 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 167.272 ms 167.977 ms 165.958 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 157.708 ms 157.654 ms 157.501 ms 14 ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 157.596 ms 156.952 ms ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 160.333 ms 15 * ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 519.719 ms 519.754 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 169.822 ms 169.834 ms 169.773 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 170.908 ms 173.384 ms 175.512 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:00:08 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 157.204 ms 157.213 ms 157.183 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 157.181 ms 157.169 ms 157.152 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 159.222 ms 159.278 ms 159.250 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 159.233 ms 159.209 ms 159.212 ms 5 * * cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 160.239 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 160.304 ms * * 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 154.246 ms 154.304 ms 154.277 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 154.246 ms 155.797 ms 155.794 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 164.476 ms 171.002 ms 170.982 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 197.774 ms 197.815 ms 197.804 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 213.180 ms 213.219 ms 213.082 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 217.814 ms 217.826 ms 217.758 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 172.302 ms 172.323 ms 181.389 ms 14 ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 184.368 ms ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 174.801 ms ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 197.872 ms 15 ae-41-99.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.195) 185.330 ms ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 196.983 ms 197.128 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 206.308 ms 206.347 ms 210.244 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 211.402 ms 211.271 ms 196.750 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:15:14 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 141.844 ms 141.865 ms 141.848 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 141.833 ms 141.814 ms 144.716 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 156.489 ms 156.464 ms 156.469 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 156.442 ms 156.433 ms 156.420 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 163.378 ms 163.431 ms 163.404 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 166.672 ms 132.299 ms 136.822 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 140.455 ms 140.497 ms 140.485 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 140.472 ms 140.449 ms 140.449 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 147.132 ms 147.118 ms 155.532 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 172.477 ms 172.532 ms 172.505 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 193.484 ms 193.545 ms 193.465 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 208.866 ms 194.311 ms 198.519 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 184.992 ms 184.867 ms 185.201 ms 14 ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 190.858 ms ae-92-92.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.222) 185.325 ms ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.210) 185.218 ms 15 ae-31-89.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.131) 185.143 ms 185.080 ms ae-41-99.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.195) 185.115 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 198.042 ms 197.910 ms 197.984 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 199.215 ms 161.712 ms 161.682 ms
Tue Feb 1 22:30:09 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 149.108 ms 149.129 ms 149.100 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 149.096 ms 149.075 ms 149.068 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 163.311 ms 163.366 ms 163.338 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 161.863 ms 167.025 ms 167.085 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 170.709 ms 170.760 ms 170.732 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 171.626 ms * 148.495 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 153.614 ms 153.603 ms 153.577 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 153.571 ms 153.550 ms 153.544 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 162.620 ms 162.662 ms 162.650 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 169.990 ms 170.033 ms 170.016 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 182.161 ms 182.173 ms 185.270 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 187.089 ms 187.072 ms 187.043 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 178.168 ms 178.206 ms 178.165 ms 14 ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 179.949 ms 179.775 ms ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 177.887 ms 15 ae-41-99.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.195) 173.640 ms ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 173.587 ms ae-31-89.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.131) 173.488 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 194.133 ms 194.051 ms 171.366 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 172.127 ms 171.963 ms 171.279 ms
| |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | ..then something's screwy going on. Here's mine:
ralph1 ~ # ping 10.29.20.1 PING 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=250 time=14.0 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=250 time=31.4 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=3 ttl=250 time=14.2 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=4 ttl=250 time=15.1 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=5 ttl=250 time=13.9 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=6 ttl=250 time=14.7 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=7 ttl=250 time=14.7 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=8 ttl=250 time=14.8 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=9 ttl=250 time=13.7 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=10 ttl=250 time=14.0 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=11 ttl=250 time=21.1 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=12 ttl=250 time=47.0 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=13 ttl=250 time=14.2 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=14 ttl=250 time=14.7 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=15 ttl=250 time=12.9 ms 64 bytes from 10.29.20.1: icmp_req=16 ttl=250 time=14.1 ms ^C --- 10.29.20.1 ping statistics --- 16 packets transmitted, 16 received, 0% packet loss, time 15022ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 12.939/17.823/47.047/8.724 ms -- Bresnan 18M/1M MyWS[E5200@3.75GHz,4GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7] WifeWS[A64@2GHz,2GB RAM,120GB HDD,Win7] Router[2xP3@1GHz,512MB RAM,18GB HDD,SMC 8432BTA,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,Intel Pro/1000MT,IBM Gigabit Ethernet-SX,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,Gentoo Linux] | |  | I am suspecting the problem is with the CMTS interface cards for the chassis. 10.29.20.1 may merely be a single IP of that chassis. Pinging it from my side it would have to go through the CMTS line card for our area, when you ping it comes from the other side of the chassis.
Heck, I had a difficult time convincing them 10.29.20.1 was part of that chassis and not my modem. Had to give them a comparison from my log to an arping ran to 10.29.20.1...even then I still don't think they believed me much.
From modem's log: CMTS-MAC=00:12:44:91:28:8c
ARPING to 10.29.20.1 from eth0 Unicast reply from 10.29.20.1 00:12:44:91:28:01 32.385ms Sent 1 probe(s) (1 broadcast(s)) Received 1 replies (0 request(s), 0 broadcast(s)) | |  | reply to Simba7 Tonight
Mine:
Wed Feb 2 21:00:06 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 72.609 ms 48.156 ms 58.714 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 63.566 ms 119.450 ms 76.516 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 73.315 ms 55.139 ms 47.961 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 44.189 ms 39.029 ms 41.547 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 55.672 ms 64.017 ms 75.493 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 66.098 ms 74.353 ms 66.180 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 77.093 ms 100.698 ms 109.164 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 72.735 ms 65.145 ms 70.954 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 72.090 ms 85.619 ms 84.251 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 64.796 ms 61.231 ms 63.639 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 89.950 ms 95.559 ms 127.680 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 122.526 ms 115.755 ms 126.612 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 110.594 ms 109.967 ms 131.664 ms 14 ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 156.632 ms 176.165 ms ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 160.632 ms 15 ae-31-89.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.131) 130.885 ms 175.731 ms 208.440 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 123.570 ms 135.319 ms 113.001 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 90.304 ms 101.111 ms 110.775 ms
Wed Feb 2 21:15:17 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.29.20.1 (10.29.20.1) 73.041 ms 117.357 ms 125.979 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 115.834 ms 103.032 ms 82.819 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 128.152 ms 140.813 ms 114.725 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 129.113 ms 98.890 ms 106.130 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 110.735 ms * 138.424 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 156.551 ms 148.258 ms 120.788 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 95.754 ms 97.328 ms 107.574 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 106.777 ms 127.005 ms 132.282 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 123.884 ms 125.195 ms 137.945 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 136.874 ms 100.510 ms 128.522 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 172.857 ms 185.825 ms 183.569 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 155.702 ms 114.010 ms 114.218 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 107.448 ms 106.521 ms 98.228 ms 14 ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 124.750 ms 167.192 ms 161.996 ms 15 ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 108.186 ms 117.140 ms 129.515 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 162.259 ms 171.279 ms * 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 148.508 ms 156.719 ms 175.267 ms
Remote Probe
Wed Feb 2 21:00:08 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 126.568 ms 126.533 ms 126.519 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 59.566 ms 59.580 ms 64.376 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 65.369 ms 65.415 ms 65.347 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 65.328 ms 65.306 ms 65.309 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 68.742 ms * * 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 69.333 ms 66.950 ms 66.998 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 65.003 ms 63.888 ms 63.800 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 63.770 ms 63.758 ms 63.751 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 66.056 ms 62.858 ms 62.170 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 77.176 ms 77.268 ms 77.327 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 82.398 ms 82.435 ms 82.423 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 86.041 ms 85.981 ms 85.997 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 85.811 ms 85.827 ms 85.757 ms 14 ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 85.609 ms ae-72-72.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.214) 83.348 ms ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 87.296 ms 15 ae-31-89.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.131) 87.126 ms ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 87.108 ms ae-31-89.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.131) 86.466 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 124.631 ms 124.522 ms 123.342 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 98.299 ms 98.266 ms 98.124 ms
Wed Feb 2 21:15:08 MST 2011 traceroute to lq2.dslreports.com (64.81.79.41), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 host-10-29-20-1.but-mt.client.bresnan.net (10.29.20.1) 93.519 ms 93.546 ms 100.776 ms 2 butmtfh1hb6-GE-0-0-0-U96.int.bresnan.net (69.144.94.97) 100.992 ms 101.045 ms 101.017 ms 3 blnmtfh2cr5-GE-3-0-9-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.34) 104.059 ms 104.120 ms 104.093 ms 4 blnmtaT1cr5-XE-4-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.118) 104.075 ms 104.050 ms 104.058 ms 5 cspwy002cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.121) 106.523 ms 106.571 ms 106.543 ms 6 cspwy001cr5-XE-5-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.94) 106.525 ms 119.946 ms 107.908 ms 7 chywyaT1cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.225) 109.540 ms 109.574 ms 109.562 ms 8 chywy001cr5-XE-5-1-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.128) 109.548 ms 109.537 ms 109.523 ms 9 dencofh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net (72.175.110.229) 117.131 ms 117.117 ms 117.088 ms 10 host-72-175-111-144.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net (72.175.111.144) 162.941 ms 162.942 ms 162.909 ms 11 te-9-3.car1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.53.10.97) 176.909 ms 182.682 ms 182.681 ms 12 ae-31-51.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.107.30) 180.219 ms 185.324 ms 154.546 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.132.57) 151.331 ms 151.308 ms 151.300 ms 14 ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 149.699 ms ae-92-92.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.222) 151.072 ms ae-82-82.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.218) 150.412 ms 15 ae-11-69.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.3) 150.466 ms ae-21-79.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.67) 150.447 ms 150.437 ms 16 unknown.Level3.net (209.247.156.222) 153.590 ms 153.515 ms 153.529 ms 17 dslreports-west2.speakeasy.net (64.81.79.41) 153.520 ms 147.127 ms 148.529 ms | |
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