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|reply to gkveton |
Re: Pricing and innovation
said by gkveton:Heard this song a million times - but no matter how often it's heard, it's never right... nor will this ever solve anything. said by fiberguy:
Even if AT&T didn't buy T-mobile, it doesn't mean that TMo is REQUIRED to retain and operate the company. Tmo could outright sell the company to another buyer who, too, could raise rates. Tmo could simply shut down operations and you'd be out of your plans too. There's not right or guarantee that you'll keep the plan you have now under any circumstance.
True. But that's not what's happening here. The combination of AT&T and T-mobile will eliminate competitive forces that keep rates in check. The problem is the effective duopoly this merger creates which WILL result in higher rates and less innovation. AT&T already holds way too much sway over the market and also government through its powerful lobbying abilities and any merger that further increases this power is a bad thing for consumers.
First off, no.. TM has had little to no impact on the market. Sprint has had more pressure on AT&T and Verizon.
Second, if anyone wants to make their voice heard about this deal and would rather it NOT go through, whining about it won't help. The way to stop this deal is to PROMPTLY cancel your service with TM and move to Spring, VZ, or a prepaid service that does NOT belong to ATT or TM. Why? ...this won't look good to ATT who is watching.
Third, there is desire of the consumer to make change. The consumer, in their on going efforts to sit back and bitch, is giving us a live example of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. HOW is sitting back, bitching, and pissing, going to make change? You guys CONTINUALLY sit back and hand these deals over to the ones wanting them. I've said this a million times, as have a small group of others,.. if you WANT to bring about change, you HAVE to be willing to make a sacrifice. Whining and bitching and "being angry" gets nothing in the end. There has been NO change in history against ANY force or power without sacrifice of those wanting to see change happen.
All I've head, so far, from most people is that this is going to raise their bill. I hate to tell you, but that's not an argument in itself. While it's one point, it's NOT the argument that will win the day as "what's good" is not always "a cheaper bill"... things that are good.. innovation, advancement in technology, better coverage, more access, etc etc. And YES, a bill that is considered REASONABLE. But, reasonable isn't defined necessarily by the consumer's emotion, but on what the economy will take. Right now, cell phones, for communication, are reasonable - it's all the extras that people want tossed on there like data, texting, etc. that make a bill go up.
If people really want to see the ATT TM deal die, then like I said, PORT YOUR SERVICE OUT NOW! Distance yourself from both ATT and TM and go to Sprint, Verizon, or one of their resellers, but stay away from anything ATT/TM. The message will be heard. And I could care less if anyone has an ETF over their head. If $200 or less is going to sway you from making a decision, then you already sold your soul and deserve what you get.
Now sh*t or get off the pot.. pissing and moaning isn't what made this country what it is.
Any by the way - sorry to be forward about this, but your talking point response was just that.. let me know what organization or group you heard that from so I can give them credit for your post. But, nothing of what you said is relevant. You read my post, said "true, but" and then disagreed with everything I said.
Tell me, when you have ATT, VERIZON, SPRINT, and TMO, and two of the 4 become one, how does that leave you with a DUOPOLY? Is that liberal math? or did I miss something? 4 minus 1 = 3.. DUO = 2. Sprint isn't a small player by any means. In fact, in your post about what is keeping the "market in check" (which has EVERYTHING to do with the consumer, and NOT always what's available anyway which has always been a big mis-notion) it's Sprint.. that would be the carrier that you TOTALLY blew off in your duopoly statement.
I'm sorry - but I don't agree with your "the sky is falling" statement at all.. mergers bring on less innovation? Tell me, before the major cable industry mergers of the 90's, exactly WHAT innovation had we seen then? Mergers don't always remove innovation, they often bring about innovation - maybe just not what you'd desire, or expect.. but, to say that a merger would kill innovation is pure talking point crap.
I tag line here is that my thoughts are my own - and they remain that way. 90% of people come here to smell each other fart. I come here and speak my mind and get bashed 90% of the time.. now it makes sense.
Fiberguy I agree 100% with you.
Here is something addition I keep saying, the people concerned about there bill are ones with MyFaves and other older data plans like Mytouch with 200 MSG and "Unlimited" for $24.99. No one should expect to keep a plan that is 3-5 or more years old. Times change and so should your plan.
I moved to AT&T and my bill went DOWN. I get much better customer service and over service. Not to mention HSPA+ in a small town, which T-MO develop no coverage at all after a tower went down, and prior to that it was EDGE only.
T-Mo is going to continue the low rates. Even with the low rates they are losing subscribers, just look at the last financial release.
|reply to fiberguy |
I disagree with your post Fiberguy.
1. Porting out by T-Mobile customers will have no impact on AT&T's side of this deal. They have continued to state it is a deal for spectrum. So they will get that even if every T-Mobile customer left.
2. Price is the best indicator of a competitive market situation. If bills increase that means competition has decreased. This means the primary concern of users should be their bills as it is the best way for them to see how the competitive nature of the industry is changing.
Fort Lauderdale, FL
|reply to fiberguy |
I agree with this. Look at what happened with Capped internet. First, ATT tried it in Reno, NV - and it failed. subscribers canceled, complained, and it went away. then, Comcast tried it, but it didn't go away. people still signed up for the capped service, but they still complained and paid the bills. Now, ATT understands how to do it, and they are doing it again. Now consumers have lost; basically because people didn't fight.
like they say in grade school - "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" - real people don't read the internet and say "oops. we are messing up here". No - the accountants tell their story - "sales are up - people love caps".
If you guys don't want the merger to survive, then dump the services that are associated to them; make it harder for them to make money. Then the accounts will tell the story - "sales are flat/down; but we still have contracts. people love the merger."