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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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A Business opportunity

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers. Especially those really good ones in Canada like Carat Networks. Aside from defeating DPI, NXDomain hijacking, and port blocking, they are fast, reliable, cheap, and out of reach of US court issued subpoenas.

Bob



heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL

1 recommendation

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.
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Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06
reply to heat84

Re: A Business opportunity

Not any more so than paying for their internet connection.



TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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reply to heat84

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Besides, for about $10.00/Mo (far less than a full cable subscription) you can cut the cable cord and get all the TV and movies you want free, and without advertisements. Even pirates can see that the economics here make sense. They are not stupid, it's the MAFFIA and the ISPs who are shooting themselves in the foot, and a government which needs to create jobs, is going to drive a portion of the industry out of the country. Who are the morons here?

The rent I used to pay a U.S. collocation facility is now going to Canada. Not so I can pirate, but so that I, and my customers, can be free from the ever increasing over-reaching, snooping, and control of the corporate-controlled greed machine we have created here in this country.

I used to hate the canard "If you don't like it leave". But today, in the virtual and International world of the Internet, you can do exactly that, and what's being implemented, mainly by the entertainment industry, is making doing just that economical. All this for what? To prop up the out-dated business model of an industry which refuses to evolve with the times?

Bob
--
"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"



Bugger

@rr.com
reply to Wilsdom

We all pay for things, the question is the degree and for what exactly. As long as there are laws there will be people not following them. The more ridiculous and intrusive the laws become the greater the number of those people is going to be.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Wilsdom

said by Wilsdom:

Not any more so than paying for their internet connection.

If they have the money then why aren't they paying then?
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88615298
Premium
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West Tenness

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reply to TamaraB

Re: A Business opportunity

said by TamaraB:

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Besides, for about $10.00/Mo (far less than a full cable subscription) you can cut the cable cord and get all the TV and movies you want free, and without advertisements. Even pirates can see that the economics here make sense. They are not stupid, it's the MAFFIA and the ISPs who are shooting themselves in the foot, and a government which needs to create jobs, is going to drive a portion of the industry out of the country. Who are the morons here?

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?
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openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to 88615298

Re: A Business opportunity

Obviously it's out of principle

/sarcasm



TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE ....

No! This is a reaction to unfettered greed. Copyright was supposed to protect owners AND the public sphere. It was implemented fairly as a FIVE year exclusivity right, so authors can make money, and then the public can enjoy the fruits of society.

Today?
Don't/can't watch a TV show when aired? PAY ME
Want to replace a movie/song you already bought 3 times? PAY ME AGAIN
Want to watch your TV in another room? PAY ME MORE
Want to see it on your phone? PAY ME EVEN MORE
Want to watch it on your computer? Gimigimigimi MORE MORE MORE
Want to hear a 40 year old song, which should have been in the public domain decades ago? PAY PAY PAY.

And if you don't like all this, then we will extort reams of money from you with the help of our bought and paid for courts. This kind of behavior deserves a severe reaction.

Bob
--
"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 88615298

There are many businesses that have adjusted their model and do give away their product and yet they still make lots of money.

Maybe part of the issue is the artist even having the RIAA or MPAA even representing them. In this day and age artist could very well hire a single or few person(s) to represent them and completely run their "company". No longer is the xxAA needed to get your material out to the world.



Frank
is chilling
Premium
join:2000-11-03
somewhere

1 recommendation

reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?

no, what this means is that things need to be reasonable in terms of cost to median income.

mcdonalds is a good example. A big mac is tasty because of the combination of 1000 island dressing, and lettuce with hamburgers. Most people who like big macs would rather just go to mcdonalds and buy one because it's fast and CHEAP.

If mcdonalds started selling big macs for $30 each then people would just pirate the recipe and make their own bigmacs at home and mcdonalds would lose money and blame it on recipe pirates.
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ctggzg
Premium
join:2005-02-11
USA
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reply to TamaraB

Nice to see some people have done their homework on how to lie and cheat and get away with it. Thanks for sharing.



heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to TamaraB

said by TamaraB:

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Ah, I see. Good point.
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Bit Torrent is my DVR.


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:148
reply to TamaraB

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers. Especially those really good ones in Canada like Carat Networks. Aside from defeating DPI, NXDomain hijacking, and port blocking, they are fast, reliable, cheap, and out of reach of US court issued subpoenas.

Bob

Bob fast is relative. I don't consider any of the solutions currently available fast but that's just me I guess.
--
"I can’t give you a surefire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."
~ Herbert Bayard Swope


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:148
reply to heat84

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Well the moto has always been "ya got to pay to play". One way or the other you are going to pay. Question is how much are you willing to pay for that hottie porn flick. I'm not willing to pay anything for that crap but there are is a certain cross section that thinks that whacking off to a video screen is cool...unfortunately they also vote.
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"I can’t give you a surefire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."
~ Herbert Bayard Swope

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to Frank

I couldn't of said it better.

@TamaraB and Frank

Totally 100% agree!



BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:148
reply to ctggzg

said by ctggzg:

Nice to see some people have done their homework on how to lie and cheat and get away with it. Thanks for sharing.

I completely agree with you. I'm not at all sympathetic to the pirates but I do understand the concerns of the legit peeps. The legits however are outnumbered 50 to 1 in who is doing what however and denying that truth is highly misguided.
--
"I can’t give you a surefire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."
~ Herbert Bayard Swope


heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to Frank

said by Frank:

said by 88615298:

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?

no, what this means is that things need to be reasonable in terms of cost to median income.

mcdonalds is a good example. A big mac is tasty because of the combination of 1000 island dressing, and lettuce with hamburgers. Most people who like big macs would rather just go to mcdonalds and buy one because it's fast and CHEAP.

If mcdonalds started selling big macs for $30 each then people would just pirate the recipe and make their own bigmacs at home and mcdonalds would lose money and blame it on recipe pirates.

People who DVR, record way more then I download. The monthly DVR fee doesn't come close to fairly compensating the copyright owner. If you were to divide the monthly fee by the number of programs the average DVR user records, it would probably be less than one cent per recording. And the whole fee doesn't go towards copyright compensation. No one will ever convince me that there's a difference between DVRing and Bit Torrent. Either way you watch without commercials(not to mention either way you're stuck with the in-program ads). So if I'm a pirate so are DVRers. And I don't come close to downloading what DVRers record. Maybe 5 programs a week I download. People here are always complaining that 150 or 200GB isn't enough DVR hard drive space. It would take me almost a year to fill that if I DVR'd the equivalent of what I download. And I wouldn't use a DVR for archival purposes either. Are DVR recordings stored in an uncompressed format? That would explain the space issue.

People pirating the Big Mac recipe? I didn't know they were that good.LMAO(non-condescending laugh, that's just straight-up funny)
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Bit Torrent is my DVR.


firephoto
We the people
Premium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA
reply to BHNtechXpert

said by BHNtechXpert:

said by ctggzg:

Nice to see some people have done their homework on how to lie and cheat and get away with it. Thanks for sharing.

I completely agree with you. I'm not at all sympathetic to the pirates but I do understand the concerns of the legit peeps. The legits however are outnumbered 50 to 1 in who is doing what however and denying that truth is highly misguided.

And you seem happy to just throw the minority under the bus because those who are supposedly breaking the law and causing financial damage are what matter so the grenade in the bad guys back is ok even if it kills a few people around them.

Or you acknowledge the reality of the situation and know it's easier to set the toll if people are mostly going to corporate US sites because there's a chance of getting some extra money on both ends.
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Say no to JAMS!


TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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join:2000-11-08
Da Bronx
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·Clearwire Wireless
reply to BHNtechXpert

said by BHNtechXpert:

Bob fast is relative. I don't consider any of the solutions currently available fast but that's just me I guess.

The only speed hit I see is minimal, and attributed to the added protocol traffic. I rent a $15.00/Mo off-shore VPS for P2P use. It downloads your typical 350MB TV show in about 4 minutes, then, for viewing, I go off VPN, and simply stream the show to my PC with not even that minimal speed hit from the VPN. Surfing/email/usenet/ssh/etc.... only on the VPN, as the minor speed hit for those services is not even noticeable.

What I pay for the VPS is less than my Internet connection.

Bob
--
"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"



BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:148
reply to firephoto

said by firephoto:

said by BHNtechXpert:

said by ctggzg:

Nice to see some people have done their homework on how to lie and cheat and get away with it. Thanks for sharing.

I completely agree with you. I'm not at all sympathetic to the pirates but I do understand the concerns of the legit peeps. The legits however are outnumbered 50 to 1 in who is doing what however and denying that truth is highly misguided.

And you seem happy to just throw the minority under the bus because those who are supposedly breaking the law and causing financial damage are what matter so the grenade in the bad guys back is ok even if it kills a few people around them.

Or you acknowledge the reality of the situation and know it's easier to set the toll if people are mostly going to corporate US sites because there's a chance of getting some extra money on both ends.

I'm not throwing the minority under the buss at all. They won't be affected by these changes...only the illegal majority will. That's what you guys fail to get...you aren't the target...the bad guys are and they will take every safeguard to insure this is the case. Nobody wants to finger the wrong person because the result will be expensive. That has never been their goal. Unfortunately there will be some friendly fire issues and they will have to be addressed as they happen...they will be expensive mistakes but they will happen and people will learn from them and changes will be made accordingly. It's not a perfect solution but it's better than filing lawsuits off at people as Jan Does.

As for these assclowns crying foul over having left their wifi open and it being exploited by a neighbor to download porn...I feel no sympathy for these idiots and the lame ass excuse they use as "I should be able to share my wifi" is bullshit. If you want to be treated as a responsible adult you need to act like one. Leaving yourself open for exploitation is nobodies fault but your own when it comes to leaving your wifi open. Stop whining, man up and take your punishment for being an idiot...and next time lock down your freakin wifi like normal rational thinking adults.
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"I can’t give you a surefire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."
~ Herbert Bayard Swope


TamaraB
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reply to TamaraB

The issue is copyright, and how the Entertainment industry has lobbied for and made massive changes in what was supposed to something which was supposed to protect the author as well as protect the public domain.

Probably the best treatise on the entire topic of copyright, and how it has, become a hindering influence, bringing untold harm to our culture (entertainment, science and medicine included) is the documentary "Rip - A remix manifesto"

It covers the history of copyright law, how it has dramatically changed, and why, and how it prevents innovation and progress.

The entire movie can be viewed on Hulu here: A remix manifesto. It is also available in several parts on Youtube. Worth a careful viewing:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdwN6rRU0Xk

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uonb39HW···=related

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8UCk9B···=related

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=hypvP_XN···=related

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfSiQjFm···=related

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrBwYQfN···=related

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--
"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"



heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to BHNtechXpert

said by BHNtechXpert:

As for these assclowns crying foul over having left their wifi open and it being exploited by a neighbor to download porn...I feel no sympathy for these idiots and the lame ass excuse they use as "I should be able to share my wifi" is bullshit. If you want to be treated as a responsible adult you need to act like one. Leaving yourself open for exploitation is nobodies fault but your own when it comes to leaving your wifi open. Stop whining, man up and take your punishment for being an idiot...and next time lock down your freakin wifi like normal rational thinking adults.

I agree with that too except you have to consider the possibility that their router was installed by a tech from their ISP and they didn't enable security. I imagine that doesn't happen anymore(or am I giving today's ISP field techs too much credit?), but back in the early days of wireless, it was probably common. Most people don't have a clue about wireless security so they would have no idea that it wasn't enabled or strong enough(WEP instead of WPA/WPA2).
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Bit Torrent is my DVR.


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
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Heat84 you raise valid concerns about this and this isn't the first time this question has been raised. There was a period of time where ISP's didn't secure their customers routers but virtually all of them do now....BUT...who's responsibility is it to do this anyway?

Let's the use the example of a car dealership selling you a car. The paperwork is signed you drive off the lot and two days later you are injured in a car accident because you wern't wearing your seatbelt. You cry foul and want the dealership to be responsible because they never taught you how to use the seat belt or told you that you should wear the seat belt in the first place.

The reality is that you wouldn't file suit (if you were smart) about such things because it is your responsibility to know about and learn how to operate the safety equipment in your car.

Your router regardless of who sold it to you or who installed it is your responsibility to learn the security and operation of the device. If you are unwilling or unable to learn then just like a car, you as an adult need to make the proper decision not to operate the device until you do.

It's called responsibility...something our soceity is sorely lacking at the moment. Everything is everybody elses fault and everybody wants everybody else to pay.

Grow the f^ck up America! Handle your damn business and stop acting like a child and blaming everyone else for your problems!!! (not referring to you Heat84) The rest of us responsible adults are tired of paying for your lazy, freeloading, childish ways.
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"I can’t give you a surefire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."
~ Herbert Bayard Swope



werescrewed

@comcast.net
reply to BHNtechXpert

I just got a new doc3 modem/router from Comcast which is the newest thing going. It will be used as a wifi tower to everyone and you have a personal password attached to the modem/router. Now hows that going to work. So when most in the burbs get this new modem and each is piggybacking from each others wifi, some type of signal transfer is going on, and everyone is sharing the signal. Now the install tech who came to my house told me this and Im only the second person in western Pa to get this thing. Anyone explain that concept.