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heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL

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reply to TamaraB

Re: A Business opportunity

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.
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Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06
reply to heat84

Re: A Business opportunity

Not any more so than paying for their internet connection.


TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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reply to heat84
said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Besides, for about $10.00/Mo (far less than a full cable subscription) you can cut the cable cord and get all the TV and movies you want free, and without advertisements. Even pirates can see that the economics here make sense. They are not stupid, it's the MAFFIA and the ISPs who are shooting themselves in the foot, and a government which needs to create jobs, is going to drive a portion of the industry out of the country. Who are the morons here?

The rent I used to pay a U.S. collocation facility is now going to Canada. Not so I can pirate, but so that I, and my customers, can be free from the ever increasing over-reaching, snooping, and control of the corporate-controlled greed machine we have created here in this country.

I used to hate the canard "If you don't like it leave". But today, in the virtual and International world of the Internet, you can do exactly that, and what's being implemented, mainly by the entertainment industry, is making doing just that economical. All this for what? To prop up the out-dated business model of an industry which refuses to evolve with the times?

Bob
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"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"



Bugger

@rr.com
reply to Wilsdom
We all pay for things, the question is the degree and for what exactly. As long as there are laws there will be people not following them. The more ridiculous and intrusive the laws become the greater the number of those people is going to be.


88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Wilsdom
said by Wilsdom:

Not any more so than paying for their internet connection.

If they have the money then why aren't they paying then?
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88615298
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West Tenness

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reply to TamaraB

Re: A Business opportunity

said by TamaraB:

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Besides, for about $10.00/Mo (far less than a full cable subscription) you can cut the cable cord and get all the TV and movies you want free, and without advertisements. Even pirates can see that the economics here make sense. They are not stupid, it's the MAFFIA and the ISPs who are shooting themselves in the foot, and a government which needs to create jobs, is going to drive a portion of the industry out of the country. Who are the morons here?

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?
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openbox9
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reply to 88615298

Re: A Business opportunity

Obviously it's out of principle

/sarcasm


TamaraB
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reply to 88615298
said by 88615298:

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE ....

No! This is a reaction to unfettered greed. Copyright was supposed to protect owners AND the public sphere. It was implemented fairly as a FIVE year exclusivity right, so authors can make money, and then the public can enjoy the fruits of society.

Today?
Don't/can't watch a TV show when aired? PAY ME
Want to replace a movie/song you already bought 3 times? PAY ME AGAIN
Want to watch your TV in another room? PAY ME MORE
Want to see it on your phone? PAY ME EVEN MORE
Want to watch it on your computer? Gimigimigimi MORE MORE MORE
Want to hear a 40 year old song, which should have been in the public domain decades ago? PAY PAY PAY.

And if you don't like all this, then we will extort reams of money from you with the help of our bought and paid for courts. This kind of behavior deserves a severe reaction.

Bob
--
"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 88615298
There are many businesses that have adjusted their model and do give away their product and yet they still make lots of money.

Maybe part of the issue is the artist even having the RIAA or MPAA even representing them. In this day and age artist could very well hire a single or few person(s) to represent them and completely run their "company". No longer is the xxAA needed to get your material out to the world.


Frank
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somewhere

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reply to 88615298
said by 88615298:

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?

no, what this means is that things need to be reasonable in terms of cost to median income.

mcdonalds is a good example. A big mac is tasty because of the combination of 1000 island dressing, and lettuce with hamburgers. Most people who like big macs would rather just go to mcdonalds and buy one because it's fast and CHEAP.

If mcdonalds started selling big macs for $30 each then people would just pirate the recipe and make their own bigmacs at home and mcdonalds would lose money and blame it on recipe pirates.
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heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to TamaraB
said by TamaraB:

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Ah, I see. Good point.
--
Bit Torrent is my DVR.


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:159
reply to heat84
said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Well the moto has always been "ya got to pay to play". One way or the other you are going to pay. Question is how much are you willing to pay for that hottie porn flick. I'm not willing to pay anything for that crap but there are is a certain cross section that thinks that whacking off to a video screen is cool...unfortunately they also vote.
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sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to Frank
I couldn't of said it better.

@TamaraB and Frank

Totally 100% agree!


heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to Frank
said by Frank:

said by 88615298:

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?

no, what this means is that things need to be reasonable in terms of cost to median income.

mcdonalds is a good example. A big mac is tasty because of the combination of 1000 island dressing, and lettuce with hamburgers. Most people who like big macs would rather just go to mcdonalds and buy one because it's fast and CHEAP.

If mcdonalds started selling big macs for $30 each then people would just pirate the recipe and make their own bigmacs at home and mcdonalds would lose money and blame it on recipe pirates.

People who DVR, record way more then I download. The monthly DVR fee doesn't come close to fairly compensating the copyright owner. If you were to divide the monthly fee by the number of programs the average DVR user records, it would probably be less than one cent per recording. And the whole fee doesn't go towards copyright compensation. No one will ever convince me that there's a difference between DVRing and Bit Torrent. Either way you watch without commercials(not to mention either way you're stuck with the in-program ads). So if I'm a pirate so are DVRers. And I don't come close to downloading what DVRers record. Maybe 5 programs a week I download. People here are always complaining that 150 or 200GB isn't enough DVR hard drive space. It would take me almost a year to fill that if I DVR'd the equivalent of what I download. And I wouldn't use a DVR for archival purposes either. Are DVR recordings stored in an uncompressed format? That would explain the space issue.

People pirating the Big Mac recipe? I didn't know they were that good.LMAO(non-condescending laugh, that's just straight-up funny)
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TamaraB
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reply to TamaraB
The issue is copyright, and how the Entertainment industry has lobbied for and made massive changes in what was supposed to something which was supposed to protect the author as well as protect the public domain.

Probably the best treatise on the entire topic of copyright, and how it has, become a hindering influence, bringing untold harm to our culture (entertainment, science and medicine included) is the documentary "Rip - A remix manifesto"

It covers the history of copyright law, how it has dramatically changed, and why, and how it prevents innovation and progress.

The entire movie can be viewed on Hulu here: A remix manifesto. It is also available in several parts on Youtube. Worth a careful viewing:

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"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"