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FFH
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Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them have

»Netflix Splits Off DVD Rentals, Calls It 'Qwikster'

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While the move is being lamented in the media as a failure before it even begins, it simply signals that Netflix sees the future and plans to focus on what future subscribers will want -- before many even realize they want it.
But will Hollywood let Netflix get to where it says users want to go? Netflix is putting itself at the mercy of the MPAA and so far the MPAA wants to see Netflix die. By betting its future on streaming, Netflix just handed its fate over to the Hollywood studios.
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88615298
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said by FFH:

»Netflix Splits Off DVD Rentals, Calls It 'Qwikster'

quote:
While the move is being lamented in the media as a failure before it even begins, it simply signals that Netflix sees the future and plans to focus on what future subscribers will want -- before many even realize they want it.
But will Hollywood let Netflix get to where it says users want to go? Netflix is putting itself at the mercy of the MPAA and so far the MPAA wants to see Netflix die. By betting its future on streaming, Netflix just handed its fate over to the Hollywood studios.

They will be fine. Hollywood tried to kill TV because it was going to cost them money. Hollywood tried to kill cable tv it was going ot cost them money. Hollywood tried to kill the VCR it was going ot cost them money. It takes time for Hollywood to wake up.


pnh102
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reply to FFH

said by FFH:

But will Hollywood let Netflix get to where it says users want to go? Netflix is putting itself at the mercy of the MPAA and so far the MPAA wants to see Netflix die. By betting its future on streaming, Netflix just handed its fate over to the Hollywood studios.

I can see Hollywood eventually raising the price of content licensing for Netflix to a point that forces Netflix to essentially price itself out of business. I would imagine Hollywood was quite happy about Netflix's recent customer losses due to their last price hike, and would love to do more to "help."

Of course, I still fail to understand why Hollywood wants to cut off a legitimate media distribution outlet for their content. As long as the price of watching content legally continues to climb, the more piracy becomes a viable alternative.
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88615298
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said by pnh102:

said by FFH:

But will Hollywood let Netflix get to where it says users want to go? Netflix is putting itself at the mercy of the MPAA and so far the MPAA wants to see Netflix die. By betting its future on streaming, Netflix just handed its fate over to the Hollywood studios.

I can see Hollywood eventually raising the price of content licensing for Netflix to a point that forces Netflix to essentially price itself out of business. I would imagine Hollywood was quite happy about Netflix's recent customer losses due to their last price hike, and would love to do more to "help."

You mean mythical loses like the mythical 60% price hike.

Of course, I still fail to understand why Hollywood wants to cut off a legitimate media distribution outlet for their content. As long as the price of watching content legally continues to climb, the more piracy becomes a viable alternative.

As I stated Hollywood tried ot kil off tv, cable tv, and the VCR because they were "threats" to their bottom line. Hollywood being retarded towards new technology is nothing new.


FFH
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Netflix making a mistake:
»gigaom.com/video/netflix-qwikster-future/

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You also lose the power of the bundle. One reason cable companies have been aggressively pushing triple-play packages over the last several years is that users who subscribe to two or more services are much less likely to quit. By separating DVD-by-mail and streaming businesses into separate billing relationships with subscribers, Netflix is exposing both to potentially higher churn.
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NPGMBR

join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
reply to FFH

You have to keep in mind that this move means that Netflix (Qwikster) will be purchasing fewer DVDs. Consumers have not gotten used to the idea of not buying them so the Studios will lose out.



88615298
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said by FFH:

Netflix making a mistake:
»gigaom.com/video/netflix-qwikster-future/

quote:
You also lose the power of the bundle. One reason cable companies have been aggressively pushing triple-play packages over the last several years is that users who subscribe to two or more services are much less likely to quit. By separating DVD-by-mail and streaming businesses into separate billing relationships with subscribers, Netflix is exposing both to potentially higher churn.

Netflix tried to bundle and everyone when ape shit over having to pay $16 for both. Sorry charging only $2 for renting 10 DVDs a month is not a sustainable business model


pnh102
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said by 88615298:

You mean mythical loses like the mythical 60% price hike.

Even Netflix themselves admitted that this "mythical" price hike has caused them some pain.

»Netflix to Lose Subscribers Due to Rate Hike
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thedragonmas

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said by 88615298:

said by FFH:

Netflix making a mistake:
»gigaom.com/video/netflix-qwikster-future/

quote:
You also lose the power of the bundle. One reason cable companies have been aggressively pushing triple-play packages over the last several years is that users who subscribe to two or more services are much less likely to quit. By separating DVD-by-mail and streaming businesses into separate billing relationships with subscribers, Netflix is exposing both to potentially higher churn.

Netflix tried to bundle and everyone when ape shit over having to pay $16 for both. Sorry charging only $2 for renting 10 DVDs a month is not a sustainable business model

yeah, no discount, if i bundle video, internet, phone, thru my cable company, guess what? i get a discount. so instead of charging me $16 for dvd and streaming, how about, oh i dont know, $10 for 1 dvd and streaming, now thats a nice discount that would get me to keep both... oh, but wait.........

steven s
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reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

mythical 60% price hike.

What?


FFH
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said by pnh102:

I can see Hollywood eventually raising the price of content licensing for Netflix to a point that forces Netflix to essentially price itself out of business.

That apparently is Netflix's plan - end the DVD rental business all together.
»www.splatf.com/2011/09/netflix-qwikster/

Further down the road, I wouldn’t be surprised if Qwikster breaks off completely from Netflix, is sold off to another company, or merges with another DVD service, like Redbox.

Why is this happening? Because the future of Netflix is streaming videos. Period. Not mailing them to your house via the U.S. Postal Service, but delivering them to your TV and devices over the Internet.

But to get there, Netflix first has to convince Hollywood to stream its best movies, and it needs to train consumers to stream movies as a default behavior. That means making sure that the streaming business can stand on its own. And that means separating DVDs from the equation, and doing as much as possible to get everyone to stop using them, short of blatant sabotage. (What, you think the bad name, “Qwikster,” is an accident?)


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88615298
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said by thedragonmas:

yeah, no discount, if i bundle video, internet, phone, thru my cable company, guess what? i get a discount. so instead of charging me $16 for dvd and streaming, how about, oh i dont know, $10 for 1 dvd and streaming, now thats a nice discount that would get me to keep both... oh, but wait.........

Excuse me but as I said show me where you renting 6, 8 or 10 DVDs a month for $2 is profitable for Netflix? Which part of this is too hard for you to get?

you pay $50 or more to your cable company for crap on TV which is mostly commericials. I bet if Netflix could get those 24 million to pay $30 a month you'd have a shitload of newer content on Netflix but people woud bitch about the price.


88615298
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reply to NPGMBR

said by NPGMBR:

You have to keep in mind that this move means that Netflix (Qwikster) will be purchasing fewer DVDs. Consumers have not gotten used to the idea of not buying them so the Studios will lose out.

Yep Hollywood doesn't get that if Netflix and RedBox went out of business they'd be losing the 2 largest buyers of DVDs. If they think DVD sales are bad now......


88615298
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reply to steven s

said by steven s:

said by 88615298:

mythical 60% price hike.

What?

Well all the haters said "All netflix cusomers got a 60% price hike"

let's examine that.

41% have streaming only. No price hike
9% have DVD only no stream. Got a price REDUCTION.

That's 50% right there.

Of the 50% that had both streaming and DVD how many had the 1 DVD at a time plan? Maybe half at most. That is the ONLY plan where the price was raised 60%. HUGE difference between ALL and 25%.


Uncle Paul

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reply to FFH

Until I can get the same release dates on streaming that I can on DVD, then it's going to be DVD rentals for me. I'm interested in seeing new content, not last year's movies or B movie flops.

Then there's this whole I like Bluray movies and streaming in 1080p/24 with DTS is a killa on the caps these days.

All streaming is right now is a means to fill the gaps and catch up on old TV series.


thedragonmas

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reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

said by thedragonmas:

yeah, no discount, if i bundle video, internet, phone, thru my cable company, guess what? i get a discount. so instead of charging me $16 for dvd and streaming, how about, oh i dont know, $10 for 1 dvd and streaming, now thats a nice discount that would get me to keep both... oh, but wait.........

Excuse me but as I said show me where you renting 6, 8 or 10 DVDs a month for $2 is profitable for Netflix? Which part of this is too hard for you to get?

you pay $50 or more to your cable company for crap on TV which is mostly commericials. I bet if Netflix could get those 24 million to pay $30 a month you'd have a shitload of newer content on Netflix but people woud bitch about the price.

based on all of your posts netflix can do no wrong, even when pointed out your wrong on your facts. your welcome to that opinion. im just pointing out a fact as to WHY people "Went ape" over the so called "bundle" and i dont care if it was just $6, its still a 60% jump and frankly you can justify it all you want, it was uncalled for, and netflix treated their customers like crap over it, maybe, MAYBE if they didnt take the attitude they did no where near the same amount of people would have jumped. but they did, and no amount of "where sorry but oh wait no where not oh and heres what where doing to screw up now" is going to change it...

oh and as to your direct attack, not hard to get at all, what part of a 60% price hike, and no discount for bundling isnt going to get those customers back and no amount of amount of BS arguments by shills going to change my mind to that fact. do you not get?


Streetlight

join:2005-11-07
Colorado Springs, CO
reply to pnh102

Netflix was paying Starz $30 million but Starz wanted $300 million in a new contract. Hey, Starz, which is better, $30 million or $0 million?



FFH
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said by Streetlight:

Netflix was paying Starz $30 million but Starz wanted $300 million in a new contract. Hey, Starz, which is better, $30 million or $0 million?

Starz won't be getting $0. They already signed a deal with Dish Networks to stream Starz content on a Blockbuster streaming service. Details will come this Friday.
»www.fiercecable.com/story/dish-n···11-09-19

Details of how much Starz is getting from Dish/Blockbuster won't be available till Friday, if ever.
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Kearnstd
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reply to FFH

The studios and content owners again show how they have zero clue on how to operate a business. but this should not surprise us. Entertainment has always moved at a glacial pace compared to the technology that can carry it.

However the MAFIAA should know that the more they force reasonably priced content out of the way the more they make it seem less immoral to fly the Jolly Rodger and torrent the content instead.
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