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Re: Spelling mistakes and grammatical errors in school materials
said by jester121:Elementry teachers teach every period. It all depends on the school. If the school can hire enough teachers then they might be lucky to get 40 minutes of work time. Teachers I know are not lucky to get a break period. said by Oh_No:
6 hours a day??? no teacher is that lucky.
Summer is only 2.5 months.
They work evening and weekends grading papers, working on lessons, etc. They can't work on other needed things when they are teaching students for 6 hours. Teacher can easily put in 50 + hours a week for school, but the hours do not matter as they are salary.
You're in Chicago, surely you've heard the hullabaloo about CPS and their short school days. I'm not even bothering to link it for you. No teacher teaches every period. Maybe less gossiping in the staff lounge and they could get more work done. And don't forget all the "in service" days and conference days and training days and don't-feel-like-teaching days.
said by jester121:I am an engineer. I know many teachers that could do what I do. Being an engineer is not a hard job at all. You rarely use anything you learned in college anyways. The main job for an engineer is to be able to think and make decisions. The technical aspect anyone can learn.
People are teachers because they love what they do, not for the money. They could have gotten an engineering degree and started at $60K instead of $30K.
No, they couldn't. That's been my point from the very beginning. Most teachers are not smart enough to do anything as challenging as engineering. Some teachers aren't even smart enough to be teachers. If it was all for the love of the job, they'd do it for free. Or, at the very least, they'd be content to earn $30-45K forever.
Instead of a student working hard for 4 years to get an education major they could have studied as an engineering major. But people chose teaching because they want to teach children, not because they feel they are limited in some way or because they were forced into it.
said by jester121:I am not trying to insult you, but for comments like this you probably are not smarter than friends with education degrees. You seem to be gullible.
Take me, for example -- I'm not smart enough to be an engineer, and my knees are shot so I couldn't make it in the NFL (that, and my lack of football talent) so I work in my job earning less money than those jobs would pay. I'm not a better or worse person than an engineer or an NFL player; just the market has determined that my job doesn't require employers to pay me quite as much.
However, I am smarter than, for example, my college friends who majored in education, so I earn more money than they do. They couldn't do my job, but they're still nice people. The market has determined that schools can offer lower salaries and all the education majors will come running, so they do. If the schools offered teachers minimum wage, then college students wouldn't choose education as a major any more.
So the market determines their worth, not their perceived nobility. Throw in a corrupt, politicized teachers' union, screwing around with the cirriculum and a bunch of lunatic administrators who couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag, sprinkle liberally with a few trillion dollars in federal funding over the past couple decades, and you have the mess we're in now.
The market?LOL Salary is determined by what people will pay, not some imaginary market. People seem to think everything is controlled by a wonderful free market, but the US is far from that reality.
When a school can't fill a teaching position they dont up the salary to try and be more attractive, they just force all the other teachers to have larger class sizes.
said by jester121:Mantra? Huh.
This bullshit mantra about how teachers are woefully underpaid and overworked makes me absolutely sick, as I said on page 1.
Teachers are underpaid, that is reality.
$30K a year starting for a college degree is just wrong.
I do not know one person starting out as a teacher that could afford to live on their own.
Teaching truely is a job of great sacrific.
They dont get paid enough to be mistake free. Thats what million dollar lawyers are for.