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telcodad
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join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
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reply to Mike Wolf

Re: Any updates?- Comcast of Ocean County, NJ

With all the channel changes/additions that have occurred this year in the Ocean and Monmouth County systems, does anyone know what might be on tap for us now for 2012?

There are 8 analog channels still active on the Monmouth system right now (all displaying the "you now need a DTA" screen), so there is still room for many more digital channels.


Floppy

join:2002-07-03
As much as people dislike it, SDV will be revisited but I seriously doubt it'll deployed before 2013.


telcodad
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Lincroft, NJ
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Oh I hope not, the last thing we had heard about SDV is that Comcast had put any further deployments of that on hold:

Comcast Back-Burners SDV (Again)
»www.lightreading.com/document.as ··· lr_cable


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:5
reply to Floppy
I highly doubt that Comcast would seriously risk mobs of customers with pitchforks and torches coming down to their Philadelphia headquarters. If you thought the riots after sports teams lose are bad, just wait lol


Floppy

join:2002-07-03
Pitchforks and torches? While don't you come back to the 21st Century. Less then 1% of their customer's knows what SDV is about. In theory SDV isn't a bad idea however it is crucial for the bandwidth to be managed efficiently.

And for those who despise additional adapters with Moxi's/Tivo's: don't bother to subscribe to those channels on SDV.


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:5
said by Floppy:

don't bother to subscribe to those channels on SDV.

Kinda going to be a problem if the majority of the channels you are used to watching in the past suddenly become SDV channels, or the only channels you want to watch end up becoming SDV channels. There are other options to achieve the same results such as increasing the frequency range to 1+ Ghz


actor90
Never a dull moment
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Jackson, NJ
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reply to Floppy
said by Floppy:

Pitchforks and torches? While don't you come back to the 21st Century. Less then 1% of their customer's knows what SDV is about. In theory SDV isn't a bad idea however it is crucial for the bandwidth to be managed efficiently.

And for those who despise additional adapters with Moxi's/Tivo's: don't bother to subscribe to those channels on SDV.

SDV is a gimmick used when a company doesn't want to properly invest in it's infrastructure and bandwidth. SDV keeps getting thrown to the back burner because Comcast has been smart enough to invest in keeping it's network infrastructure fully up to date and advanced. You'll see SDV from companies like AT&T who do everything on the cheap.


telcodad
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join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
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As reported in the »[DTA] TCM Moved from Dig. Starter to Dig. Premium thread, Comcast has moved the Turner Classic Movies (TCM) channel from the Digital Starter tier to the Digital Preferred tier in many areas recently. This means it can no longer be received by DTAs.

Does anyone know when this change will occur for us in the Ocean/Monmouth systems?


mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
reply to actor90
do you think att broadband would have invested in its' infrastructure or just did sdv by now?


Floppy

join:2002-07-03
said by mikedz4:

do you think att broadband would have invested in its' infrastructure or just did sdv by now?

Invested? Yeah right

As apart of the merger Comcast took on more than $24 billion worth of debt from AT&T and its subsidiaries.

TurboDan

join:2006-06-08
Lavallette, NJ
reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

With all the channel changes/additions that have occurred this year in the Ocean and Monmouth County systems, does anyone know what might be on tap for us now for 2012?

There are 8 analog channels still active on the Monmouth system right now (all displaying the "you now need a DTA" screen), so there is still room for many more digital channels.

Wish we could just get the Philly locals in HD in Ocean County, at least. It's absolutely ridiculous that carrying the SD version has been no problem for 30 years but carrying the HD version of the exact same channel is some kind of insurmountable task, apparently.


mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
It's up to the stations if they want to be in hd in your area. Email them and ask why they aren't in hd in your area.

JCO65

join:2010-01-15
Brick, NJ
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reply to telcodad
Apparently Comcast is unveiling a 3D PPV channel[Channel 982]. First event is going to be a 3D broasdcast of UFC 143 on 2/4.

mets18

join:2008-10-15
New York, NY
reply to mikedz4
said by mikedz4:

It's up to the stations if they want to be in hd in your area. Email them and ask why they aren't in hd in your area.

Actually in this case it is not up to the stations. The Ocean County area is deemed to be part of the NYC DMA so Comcast doesn't have to show the Philly locals in HD if they don't want to. They already show all the NYC locals in HD.


mikedz4

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I'm part of the wheeling/steubenville dma but also recieve the pittsburgh stations. When my local cbs offered fox and abc as sub channels comcast asked the pittsburgh stations if they still wanted to be carried in my area.
The abc station permitted BOTH their SD and HD channels to be carried.
The fox station asked to be removed because they didn't like to compete.
The pittsburgh CBS is carried in both SD and HD even after the local CBS went HD.
The Pittsburgh NBC is only SD but I think that is because the same company (cox media) owns both the local nbc and pittsburgh NBC.

mets18

join:2008-10-15
New York, NY
said by mikedz4:

I'm part of the wheeling/steubenville dma but also recieve the pittsburgh stations. When my local cbs offered fox and abc as sub channels comcast asked the pittsburgh stations if they still wanted to be carried in my area.
The abc station permitted BOTH their SD and HD channels to be carried.
The fox station asked to be removed because they didn't like to compete.
The pittsburgh CBS is carried in both SD and HD even after the local CBS went HD.
The Pittsburgh NBC is only SD but I think that is because the same company (cox media) owns both the local nbc and pittsburgh NBC.

Right but again it was comcast that asked the pittsburgh stations if they wanted to be carried. In this case comcast is not asking the philly stations if they want to be carried in both sd and hd. They would rather allocate the hd bandwidth to other channels.


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
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reply to JCO65
Yeah strangely enough when I read your post I tuned to it and I'm able to see the side by side image, which I haven't been able to do with the ESPN3D and Xfinity3D channels, and still unable to do.


mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
reply to mets18
how do YOU know they DID NOT ask? I would email the station directly and ask why they aren't in HD in your area.

mets18

join:2008-10-15
New York, NY

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said by mikedz4:

how do YOU know they DID NOT ask? I would email the station directly and ask why they aren't in HD in your area.

Obviously they would like to be carried in HD.


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
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reply to mikedz4
Here in Toms River I asked Comcast why we dont get the Philly local stations in HD (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW) I was told we did and they gave me the channel numbers to the SD channels. Comcast can be incompotent at times. And it was from the Monmouth call center or something.
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telcodad
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reply to JCO65

Re: Any updates?- Comcast of Ocean County, NJ

said by JCO65:

Apparently Comcast is unveiling a 3D PPV channel[Channel 982]. First event is going to be a 3D broadcast of UFC 143 on 2/4.

The Multichannel News site has an article about this today:

In Demand, UFC to Offer PPV Event In 3D
`UFC 143' First PPV 3D Event For Industry
Multichannel News – February 2, 2012
»www.multichannel.com/article/480 ··· n_3D.php

The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA
reply to Mike Wolf
Some probable answers below on why they don't carry the HD Philly broadcast stations in the New York DMA (rightly or wrongly, Toms River and all of Ocean and Monmouth counties are assigned to the NYC TV market).

1. Because they don't have to (they are not required to)

2. It would take up additional HD bandwidth (at least 5 more HD channels for ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW)

3. Most all of the big 4 network programming is duplicated on the HD network affiliates from NYC stations, exceptions being some region specific sports matchups and local news programming.

Not saying I agree with why, just saying...

TurboDan

join:2006-06-08
Lavallette, NJ

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said by The Q:

Some probable answers below on why they don't carry the HD Philly broadcast stations in the New York DMA (rightly or wrongly, Toms River and all of Ocean and Monmouth counties are assigned to the NYC TV market).

1. Because they don't have to (they are not required to)

2. It would take up additional HD bandwidth (at least 5 more HD channels for ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW)

3. Most all of the big 4 network programming is duplicated on the HD network affiliates from NYC stations, exceptions being some region specific sports matchups and local news programming.

Not saying I agree with why, just saying...

You're probably right, but are the NYC stations "must carry" anymore? I thought when the nets started charging cablecos for carriage, the must carry regulation went out the window.

The bandwidth issue is legit, obviously, though I wonder how much is left after the recent reclamation.

The non-duplicate programming, of course, includes sports - specifically the Eagles, as well as WPVI's newscast which is very, very widely viewed in Ocean County. I know some areas of the country (MD/VA/DC) carry just the HD stations that carry the Redskins/Ravens across two DMAs since the fan bases cross DMA lines. Why that can't be accomplished here is odd.

FiOS, for example, carries both sets of locals (PHL and NYC) in HD in multiple markets.

JCO65

join:2010-01-15
Brick, NJ
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The only reason why the dulicate programming exists in Maryloand is because the distance between Baltimore and Washington is only 35-40 miles. If NYC and Philly were that close, I am sure that you would have the duplicates here on Comcast, Dan.

As for reclamation, there is more room for new HD channels down the road. As for when, I don't know.


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
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reply to The Q
I agree with all 3 of your points. I'm just ticked off that Comcast claims they do in fact carry them in HD in my service area even though they don't by saying that the SD channels of the philly stations that I'm recieving in the upper 200's are HD even though its clear as day that they aren't.

JCO65

join:2010-01-15
Brick, NJ
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Here is an interesting find. I noticed on the channel lineups for the Trenton/Lambertville systems that the Philadelphia HD local channels are.located between channels 231-236. Meanwhile, they offer the NY HD local channels in the low 800's range. Maybe that is a sign of things to come.


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
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In my area the NY HD channels are still located between 231 and 236 as well as in the low 800's, and the Philly locals are located between 253 and 256 with the exception of 6ABC which is only found on channel 6 in the analog's.

TurboDan

join:2006-06-08
Lavallette, NJ
reply to JCO65
said by JCO65:

Here is an interesting find. I noticed on the channel lineups for the Trenton/Lambertville systems that the Philadelphia HD local channels are.located between channels 231-236. Meanwhile, they offer the NY HD local channels in the low 800's range. Maybe that is a sign of things to come.

That's definitely a good sign. There's no reason this can't happen here, at least on a limited basis. Channel 6 (WPVI) is the most watched station for news and Fox 29 (WTXF) would take care of the multitude of Eagles fans who want to see their team in HD. Even if it's just those two channels, they'd make the majority of people happy.