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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

More like De-Evolution

Using more spectrum, via your wireless broadband connection, to make the same phone call, simply to escape cellphone minute charges, seems rather backward to me.


Guspaz
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Why would it use more spectrum? The amounts of overhead when comparing SIP over 3G or LTE to native UMTS voice calls or IMS over LTE (LTE's eventual native voice format) shouldn't be that different... Heck, IMS over LTE is basically VoIP anyhow...
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DataRiker
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reply to elray
said by elray:

Using more spectrum, via your wireless broadband connection, to make the same phone call, simply to escape cellphone minute charges, seems rather backward to me.

Call it whatever you want. I would much rather be able to use a data package over my phone and make call over data and not pay for minutes at all.

Would save me a lot of money.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:

Why would it use more spectrum? The amounts of overhead when comparing SIP over 3G or LTE to native UMTS voice calls or IMS over LTE (LTE's eventual native voice format) shouldn't be that different... Heck, IMS over LTE is basically VoIP anyhow...

Maybe i misinterpreted the specifications over the years - I'm not an EE,. But doesn't Skype, Sipdroid, G.729 et al, take at least 30kbps, while traditional cellphone vocoders use 8-13kbps?


DataRiker
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said by elray:

Maybe i misinterpreted the specifications over the years - I'm not an EE,. But doesn't Skype, Sipdroid, G.729 et al, take at least 30kbps, while traditional cellphone vocoders use 8-13kbps?

That wouldn't surprise me.

I much prefer VOIP because the sound quality is so much better. Carriers cramming voice over 8kbps makes total sense.

openbox9
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said by DataRiker:

Would save me a lot of money.

Until the carriers catch up with monetizing the emerging technology


jgkolt
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Avon, OH
like capped data plan packages instead of unlimited

openbox9
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That's the first iteration. They'll eventually come up with a way to monetize you using VoIP over WiFi in lieu of consuming your allotment of voice dialing from your carrier.


DataRiker
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said by openbox9:

That's the first iteration. They'll eventually come up with a way to monetize you using VoIP over WiFi in lieu of consuming your allotment of voice dialing from your carrier.

I don't really see how. Voice takes up a very tiny amount of data and I don't see how they could possibly restrict it.

Just goes to show how cheaply carriers could process voice if they had proper motivation.

openbox9
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My guess is that it will be a combination of indirect methods as well as continuing to require some tier of voice minutes with mobile phone plans...or maybe even all data plans

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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·Time Warner Cable
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reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

said by elray:

Maybe i misinterpreted the specifications over the years - I'm not an EE,. But doesn't Skype, Sipdroid, G.729 et al, take at least 30kbps, while traditional cellphone vocoders use 8-13kbps?

That wouldn't surprise me.

I much prefer VOIP because the sound quality is so much better. Carriers cramming voice over 8kbps makes total sense.

I avoid cellphone usage for most calls, whenever possible, since most of my contacts speak English as a 3rd language, and poorly - makes anything beyond rudimentary chat improbable.

If you stick with an older CDMA phone, you can still force 13k vocoding, which improves things a bit, at least on VZW network.

I'd welcome an "HD Voice" option for regular cellphone service - if a 16K codec does the trick, I'd pay extra for HD premium minutes. I'm sure existing protocols could handle it, but I suspect Cellco found the billing and PR issues difficult.