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Rifleman
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Abusable Oxycontin Pulled

Watch their stock. The streets are going to be dangerous for the next long while.
Now Purdue gets a slap on the back while the provinces pay the bill with the methadone clinics.

The medication, which is produced by drug company Purdue Pharma, is also no longer on the list of drugs doctors can prescribe. Oxycontin has also been removed from the Health Canada program that pays for prescription drugs for First Nations members.

For someone who needs Oxycontin as a painkiller, a prescription for Oxycontin can still be filled during March, which is being called a transition period. But doctors are now asked to prescribe OxyNeo, instead.

As of Feb. 28, 2013, a period of one year, doctors will have to make a special application for patients to get OxyNeo. Only patients being treated for cancer pain or palliative care will be eligible without a special application.

In all other types of chronic pain, the doctor will have to prove no other medication has worked for the patient.

Lock up everything.
»ca.news.yahoo.com/oxycontin-offi ··· 520.html


lugnut

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Considering how the stuff can mess you up, they probably had good reason to make the move.

Worst case scenario if yer a junkie looking for a legal high you can probably still pick the stuff up OTC in Mexico

peterboro
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reply to Rifleman
I read that Ontario has spent half a billion dollars the last few years on this stuff.

These dope people will just move onto other stuff and maybe so many won't get hooked in the first place.


Gone
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1 recommendation

Dealing with the fallout from people who are addicted to the stuff is going to be a mess of epic proportions. We're not talking about shady characters hiding in in the alleyways at night, either. We're talking about the elderly. Parents. Young people with children. People who otherwise have jobs who pay taxes and are productive members of society. This is yet again another situation where the province has a good intention but so royally fucks up the implementation that they end up making the situation worse than it was before.


elwoodblues
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said by Gone:

Dealing with the fallout from people who are addicted to the stuff is going to be a mess of epic proportions. We're not talking about shady characters hiding in in the alleyways at night, either. We're talking about the elderly. Parents. Young people with children. People who otherwise have jobs who pay taxes and are productive members of society. This is yet again another situation where the province has a good intention but so royally fucks up the implementation that they end up making the situation worse than it was before.

Exactly, the intentions are right, but the implementation is going to screw so many people over it's not funny. I'm sure you'll be able to find it "on the street" , but the price is going to SKYROCKET since it will no longer be available domestically.
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Rifleman
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10 bucks/mg here. How much worse can it get and how bad are the robberies gonna get?


elwoodblues
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HOLY SHIT, how the hell can one afford that? An 80mg pill is 800 bucks? I'm going to hate to see the price when it starts to dry up.

I was doing some quick reading and one couple were discussing on a forum(not here) how they were doing 3 or 4 of those 80mg tabs a day.
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Rifleman
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Sorry-----1buck/mg. I have no doubt it will hit 10 soon. Even so--one pill is 80 bucks-----so 3 or 4 a day is expensive.


urbanriot
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reply to Gone
said by Gone:

Dealing with the fallout from people who are addicted to the stuff is going to be a mess of epic proportions. We're not talking about shady characters hiding in in the alleyways at night, either. We're talking about the elderly. Parents.

You are absolutely right about that. I know someone's father who's addicted to it... and can get a prescription to support this addiction, because he has a physical need to take it that may be incurable; the problem is, family members are unable to determine if there really is a need to continue taking it regularly or it's an addiction.

peterboro
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reply to Gone
How would you have implemented this given that this was announced last year and all the stakeholders including the addicts knew?

peterboro
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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

HOLY SHIT, how the hell can one afford that? An 80mg pill is 800 bucks? I'm going to hate to see the price when it starts to dry up.

Didn't you just have some left over from your latest spill. To think of the thousands of dollars of that shit I've flushed down the toilet.


eh

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said by Rifleman:

10 bucks/mg here. How much worse can it get and how bad are the robberies gonna get?

You serious? I have a medicine cabinet filled with this stuff and something else called dilaudid.

Without going to into details, I was given morphine after a surgery. It worked for only 3 days then I was immune to it's effects and the pain was unbearable.

So they gave me oxycontin. This worked for about 3 days and then the pain was unbearable.

Then they gave me dilaudid. This worked for 3 days before the pain became unbearable.

They put me back on oxycontin and said you have a choice. A referral to some sort of pain specialist, or live with it. I decided to live with it and just filled out the prescriptions and never bothered taking them (hence why I have a lot in my medicine cabinet).

They said I'm unlucky to be one of those people whose body adjusts to pain meds after a couple of days. Then again, when they put me out for surgery I sat up while they dug into me and said it was a nice hole they made. They gave me more giggle-juice to put me out and when they were all done I sat up and said, I bet you thought I was out eh and laughed before I actually did pass out.

So this stuff doesn't have much use on me. But I know the effects.

Morphine + severe pain = Relaxation.
dilaudid + severe pain = numbness.
oxycontin +severe pain = moody and hyper

I think much of this is in peoples minds. Tell them it's an opioid and they want it and think they are high.

One thing I learned though, by accident... oxycontin + a couple of glasses of wine = knock out concoction.

So if I had to guess at why people are (or think they are) addicted to oxycontin, I would say it isn't because of oxycontin alone. Rather oxycontin with something else (beer, wine or whatever) triggers a big enough high to F you up greatly (and I mean walking through walls). But for me, that lasted.. yup, 3 days.. then it no longer affected me in the same way.

As a pain med, I found it really useless along with everything else.


Xstar_Lumini

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reply to Rifleman
OxyNeo will not replace the properties of Oxycontin 100%.

OxyNeo is reputed to turn into a jello when mixed with liquid so junkies cannot inject it into their veins.


I see

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said by Xstar_Lumini:

OxyNeo is reputed to turn into a jello when mixed with liquid so junkies cannot inject it into their veins.

Ah. Is that what people are doing with it? Injecting it?

peterboro
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said by Xstar_Lumini:

OxyNeo is reputed to turn into a jello when mixed with liquid so junkies cannot inject it into their veins.

As we speak a mad scientist is figuring out a way guaranteed.


I_H8_Spam

join:2004-03-10
St Catharines, ON
reply to Xstar_Lumini
There is a lil bit of a misconception here, the legitimate dispensing of Oxycodone will not be effected; however OxyNeo messes with the illegal trade of old oxy's.

Wasn't Purdue Pharm was getting close to the end of patient protection on the old Oxy's, heck of a way to keep the generics off your product line.


elwoodblues
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reply to peterboro
said by peterboro:

said by elwoodblues:

HOLY SHIT, how the hell can one afford that? An 80mg pill is 800 bucks? I'm going to hate to see the price when it starts to dry up.

Didn't you just have some left over from your latest spill. To think of the thousands of dollars of that shit I've flushed down the toilet.

Actually I do, I have some Oxy and some Percs around here.
Latest spill was last May
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Wolfie00
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said by I_H8_Spam:

There is a lil bit of a misconception here, the legitimate dispensing of Oxycodone will not be effected; however OxyNeo messes with the illegal trade of old oxy's.

Wasn't Purdue Pharm was getting close to the end of patient protection on the old Oxy's, heck of a way to keep the generics off your product line.

I just have to say this at this point:

Whatever happened to a walk in the park for a good time? With a faithful dog at your side? Whatever happened to a sail on a lake for a good time (with a faithful dog at your side, again, of course! ).

Seriously, whatever happened to some of us about living in the real world?


Paolo
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dude i love that stuff why would they ban it? now what am i gonna use to clean my stains on the carpets? plus the guy who did the commercials is dead too, gonna miss him
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Ian
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reply to Rifleman
Several things come to mind about this.

The notion that OxyNeo is any different from OxyContin is silly. As someone pointed out, this is more likely Purdue positioning itself for the patent issues. It is apparently quite trivial to defeat the "anti-abuse" characteristics of OxyNeo (OcyContin OP in the US).

This has been a massive failure of Canada's (specifically Atlantic Canada's and Ontario's where the problem is rampant) health care systems and Governments. Poor prescription control methods and most likely Doctors on the take are a huge part of the problem.

»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ··· ion.html

"The problem of OyxContin addiction is particularly acute in native communities,... "

"They say addicts make up more than 50 per cent of the population in some communities, which lack adequate treatment resources for addicts who will face painful withdrawal. Others may seek illegal alternatives."

Ok....Why aren't there adequate treatment resources? A lot of money being thrown in that direction. Why not spend some of it on that?

How irresponsible is it to allow your community to sink to a 50% addiction to opiates rate without doing something about it before now?
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CanadianRip

join:2009-07-15
Oakville, ON
said by Ian:

As someone pointed out, this is more likely Purdue positioning itself for the patent issues.

Money is always the simple answer.

People that grind up Oxy to get a high will move onto something else.


donoreo
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North York, ON
said by CanadianRip:

said by Ian:

As someone pointed out, this is more likely Purdue positioning itself for the patent issues.

Money is always the simple answer.

People that grind up Oxy to get a high will move onto something else.

Probably. Sadly many will probably move to another opiate: heroin. They are addicted to an opiate so they will crave another.

The new stuff sounds cool. It is rubbery and squishy so they cannot crush it or even chew it really. As stated, there is a mad scientist working on it.
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Ian
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said by donoreo:

The new stuff sounds cool. It is rubbery and squishy so they cannot crush it or even chew it really. As stated, there is a mad scientist working on it.

Already done. Google has shown that circumventing the anti-abuse functions of the new pill is easy.
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freejazz_RdJ

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They need not only some sort of polymer matrix to contain the drug, but naloxone. That would neutralize the abuse potential from IV use.


elwoodblues
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reply to Ian
said by Ian:

said by donoreo:

The new stuff sounds cool. It is rubbery and squishy so they cannot crush it or even chew it really. As stated, there is a mad scientist working on it.

Already done. Google has shown that circumventing the anti-abuse functions of the new pill is easy.

Something you want to share Ian
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Paolo
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wow people really must have dirty houses if they need to use oxy clean all day long


Ian
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said by elwoodblues:

said by Ian:

said by donoreo:

The new stuff sounds cool. It is rubbery and squishy so they cannot crush it or even chew it really. As stated, there is a mad scientist working on it.

Already done. Google has shown that circumventing the anti-abuse functions of the new pill is easy.

Something you want to share Ian

I don't want to post links to questionable sites on DSLR, but for those interested, the US version "Oxycontin OP" has been on the market there a while.

I googled it because (as a chemist) I was curious myself how you could sell a pill that could be readily absorbed by the human digestive tract, yet be immune to common, and quite simple techniques to obtain purer forms from a tablet outside the body.

Answer: You can't. But pretending that you can to keep your pricey non generic sales humming, is good business.


Savant
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reply to Rifleman
said by Rifleman:

As of Feb. 28, 2013, a period of one year, doctors will have to make a special application for patients to get OxyNeo. Only patients being treated for cancer pain or palliative care will be eligible without a special application.

IIRC that applies to ODB drug coverage. IOW you can still get OxyNeo, so long as you pay the cost out of your pocket. If you want drug coverage to pay for it then you'll have to submit a section 8 application.

No province can actually ban the sale of a drug that has received Health Canada approval. They don't have to pay for it though.
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I_H8_Spam

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reply to Ian
said by Ian:

Answer: You can't. But pretending that you can to keep your pricey non generic sales humming, is good business.

As I posted already, replacing the product was not an effort to curtail usage but rather a way to extend patent protection.